Point is, neither of you are wrong, in 2.x scholar was being the awesome sch it is today and they knew this. Nothings new, it got some more aoe burst and things to fit it more outside of its weaknesses, and whm too got a lot more instant cast heals ans scholar=like abilities like tetra, and nothings changed, at al, and yes those two do their healing specs quite well, enter AST, which seems like they forgot what they were going up against for a contender, but youre right. Esp about not only ast, but drk as well. We cant exactly pinpoint where they seem to have went wrong, but they had the data and knew, esp about sch early enough along, so early in fact that we seen yoshi change his opinon about dual jobs for every class maybe a major patch or two, during 2.x cycle that it wa s a bad idea they wont be redoing. And its very true those two did perfectly well as a pair yet we have to have raid teams of2 tanks 4dps 2 healers, adding a third tank and a third healer really shakes the tree so I want to be a bit real here and ask what would you have done for a third healer? Kind of sick of debating where they went wrong, arent you all?