It’s also all but a given that the expansion will include at least two new jobs.

[gehrtalert]

What about a samurai that splits into tank and dps jobs like Arcanist does at 30? Have a heavily armored, defensive samurai as a tank and a lighter version with more emphasis on speed or whatever for dps.

[Risvertasashi]

What about a samurai that splits into tank and dps jobs like Arcanist does at 30? Have a heavily armored, defensive samurai as a tank and a lighter version with more emphasis on speed or whatever for dps.

They've said a few times that the SCH/SMN split has been very problematic. And, with the balance issues towards the end of ARR, that they couldn't really buff SMN until HW because it would also buff SCH (though they kinda did anyways).

Basically, from a design standpoint, it's so much of a headache that I don't think we're likely to see it again. It's kind of a shame it hasn't been set up in a way that lets them separate out jobs from classes more as the branching thing, to this day, seems to be a strong fantasy among a lot of players, but... it's what we've got, I guess.

tl;dr due to underlying design issues new jobs will probably be jobs only with no base class, like DRK/MCH/AST.

really now?

Well, this whole thread is pretty much wild speculation, so why not!

[ADVSS]

Well, this whole thread is pretty much wild speculation, so why not!

So much speculation in that quote now(from the interview)....do we go with "ranger" do we go with the colors? (Sam used to also wear red....) do we go by the elbst mount being used quite often?(tamer, bst?) i dont see samurai being yellow, maybe something like dancer? chemist wore yellow in ffv .... so many ways to interpret it

[Supersun]

So much speculation in that quote now(from the interview)....do we go with "ranger" do we go with the colors? (Sam used to also wear red....) do we go by the elbst mount being used quite often?(tamer, bst?) i dont see samurai being yellow, maybe something like dancer? chemist wore yellow in ffv .... so many ways to interpret it

It could likely have to do with their lines in their posing sequence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yR6UkK6KIU

The yellow ranger could represent a Dancer.
The red one could be a Berserker.
For the black one I'd say Ninja, but that already exists so maybe Thief, Ranger, Beastmaster, Scout, or some other stealth/animal related class?

[Nekotee]

I doubt they will make an other twin class
Beside same problem as arc

If you got tank you need VIT trait if dps you need STR or DEX
Which mean switching

[Ceasaria]

From Reddit "Part II: Other Japanese Community Related Questions to Yoshida and Answers from 3 Year Anniversary Broadcast.":

- Yoshida almost slipped through the amount of jobs 4.0 will have (It's related to the Moonfaire Faire)

So, 3 rangers = 3 jobs

Samurai for Yellow, Red Mage for Red, and Necromancer for Black

[ADVSS]

From Reddit "Part II: Other Japanese Community Related Questions to Yoshida and Answers from 3 Year Anniversary Broadcast.":

- Yoshida almost slipped through the amount of jobs 4.0 will have (It's related to the Moonfaire Faire)

So, 3 rangers = 3 jobs

Samurai for Yellow, Red Mage for Red, and Necromancer for Black

really now?

EDIT: Just read the article from reddit, and also a new thread just got added with pretty much the synopsis of that, this is cool now its time for more speculating

[Gemina]

I haven't touched AST yet, and rarely get them as co healers in 8-man content so I don't know much about the job, but I do wonder sometimes if the imbalance I hear about them is due to it not really being compatible with the other two healers. WHM and SCH complement each other so well with their abilities, and each can take on solo healing duties in the content I have gone through thus far. Perhaps what AST needs to balance it is another healer that creates a near perfect tandem like WHM+SCH? AST+RDM or AST+DNC perhaps??

Just a thought I had.

[ADVSS]

I haven't touched AST yet, and rarely get them as co healers in 8-man content so I don't know much about the job, but I do wonder sometimes if the imbalance I hear about them is due to it not really being compatible with the other two healers. WHM and SCH complement each other so well with their abilities, and each can take on solo healing duties in the content I have gone through thus far. Perhaps what AST needs to balance it is another healer that creates a near perfect tandem like WHM+SCH? AST+RDM or AST+DNC perhaps??

Just a thought I had.

Thats what i would do, tank to complement drk/pld , not one that pushes war/sch to the wayside. though some people think we need a contender for sch/war id personally let them be the jobs they are and come up with something that would balance the assymetrical(3rd) of either role

[Duelle]

Thats what i would do, tank to complement drk/pld , not one that pushes war/sch to the wayside. though some people think we need a contender for sch/war id personally let them be the jobs they are and come up with something that would balance the assymetrical(3rd) of either role

All that does is narrow the number of possibilities for design, because you're now designing around strict paradigms instead of trying to meet a much broader requirement. It's not a good direction to take things, and I'd rather see the tanks and healers brought in line with each other over creating specified slots for them in groups. If it means WAR and SCH have to be nerfed, it's still better than designing all healers to fit into either a WHM-esque or SCH-like mold.