war nerfs(srs bznz pls)

[Reynhart]

Then I love to see how you survive the 2 Final Punches solo in A8S.

If WAR is such a "god" at tanking, why can't WAR solo all the tank buster, amirite? Guys?

And how does a PLD do it ?

It's just that people who never clear content where you really need to milk every drop out of your mitigation kit while sustaining high DPS often vastly exaggerate how good WAR is.

We're not exaggerating how good WAR is or how bad PLD and DRK can be. The problem is that the meta in this game aims for absolute optimum.
100 or 200 DPS is not much, you're right, but it's still undoubtedly better.
Did they decide to make STR even sligthly higher than VIT for AP on tanks (0.5 vs 0.45 for example) you can be sure than everyone would still bitch about VIT tank as being weak and lazy.

PLD and DRK are perfectly viable for anything, and the better solution might just be to change the mentality, but that's something that will never happen.

[Brian_]

And how does a PLD do it ?

Extremely easily.

They HG one rotation of Final Punch --> Apocalypse --> Final Beam.

The next rotation they use Sheltron + Rampart + Sentinel.

This is why you don't run your mouth about stuff you don't know or talk about balance you can't understand.

[Reynhart]

They HG one rotation of Final Punch --> Apocalypse --> Final Beam.

If only a WAR could survive that combo while saving Holmgang, Foresight, Convalescence, Equilibirum and Second Wind for the next rotation...
Oh, wait, it can

Without even adressing the issue that eating all of this solo doesn't have any purpose since it's possible to completely avoid Final Apocalypse. Or the other issue that even if you have a PLD or DRK to tank that solo, your off-tank still better be a WAR.

[Sarcatica]

If only a WAR could survive that combo while saving Holmgang, Foresight, Convalescence, Equilibirum and Second Wind for the next rotation...
Oh, wait, it can

Without even adressing the issue that eating all of this solo doesn't have any purpose since it's possible to completely avoid Final Apocalypse. Or the other issue that even if you have a PLD or DRK to tank that solo, your off-tank still better be a WAR.

There is another set of tank buster that makes WAR not able to solo it. And the 2nd set of tank buster is more unforgiving with the short needle ticking on your HP while getting the tank busters. In this case, having DRK/PLD use their LD/HG on the 2nd set is better.

Note: That vid is 1st Final Punch and you pretty much blow all your CDs there as WAR, leaving you with almost none for 2nd one. DRK/PLD taking these 2 tank buster combo alone makes it so much easier to control since there is no coordination at all to pull this off.

[Reynhart]

Note: That vid is 1st Final Punch and you pretty much blow all your CDs there as WAR, leaving you with almost none for 2nd one.

Like I said, in this video, he didn't use Foresight, Convalescence, Equilibirum or Second Wind (He even have Internal Release up, if he wants its next healing skills better chance to crit).
As for Holmgang, he popped it but it didn't proc. Should he have used Equilibrium, he would have ended with a decent HP pool after Final Beam.
And Equilibrium would still be up for the next rotation...

He even says "Stop healing me" to his healers...

[Sarcatica]

Like I said, in this video, he didn't use Foresight, Convalescence, Equilibirum or Second Wind (He even have Internal Release up, if he wants its next healing skills better chance to crit).
As for Holmgang, he popped it but it didn't proc. Should he have used Equilibrium, he would have ended with a decent HP pool after Final Beam.
And Equilibrium would still be up for the next rotation...

He even says "Stop healing me" to his healers...

Xeno took 27.5k from Final Punch with Adlo and Vengeance + IB (44% reduction) + RI (the punch was parried too). What makes you think a WAR can survive 2nd one without Vengeance? You will get 1 shot from the 2nd one for sure. I haven't found any WAR doing the stuff solo, so yes, back to the point where people keep saying WAR is "god" at tanking very false.

[Brannigan]

Off topic but does anyone know if Tempered Will breaks Final Punch's bind? I've never had it up because I use it on the landmines.

[Brian_]

If only a WAR could survive that combo while saving Holmgang, Foresight, Convalescence, Equilibirum and Second Wind for the next rotation...
Oh, wait, it can

Without even adressing the issue that eating all of this solo doesn't have any purpose since it's possible to completely avoid Final Apocalypse. Or the other issue that even if you have a PLD or DRK to tank that solo, your off-tank still better be a WAR.

You just linked a video of a WAR blowing basically everything to survive one Final Punch --> Apoc --> Final Beam.

So what do you have for the next rotation? Foresight and IB? Maybe an Adlo shield buffed by Convalescence? You can Equilibrium and BB to survive the Apocalypse and Short Needles (with regen and medica II). You can Holmgang the beam. But, the punch is going to kill you first.

With Vengeance, Thrill of Battle, Raw Intuition, IB, and a SCH shield it still dropped him to 14k HP. You seriously think that with just Foresight, he's living through the next one? You're comparing 20%, ~7% damage reduction with Defiance to 30%, 20%, 20%, + 20% more HP with Defiance.

Like... At some point you really just need to stop digging.

And for reference, I do what Xeno did in that video every week. I know it can be done. The second one will massacre you.

[Reynhart]

Like... At some point you really just need to stop digging.

And maybe you can stop covering your eyes...
Well, it won't matter in the end, after Yoshi-P acknowledged that WAR and SCH are ahead of the other jobs of the same role, and that adjustments will be made on them comes 4.0, even if they won't be the only jobs adjusted.

And again, you just brushed off the topic of always having a WAR on the setup, which is more effective than PLD+DRK.

[Launched]

And again, you just brushed off the topic of always having a WAR on the setup, which is more effective than PLD+DRK.

That's because bringing PLD+DRK is almost the same as bringing 2PLD, 2WAR or 2DRK: they're too similar and don't really offer anything that stacks well with each other.