Yoshida' stance on PL and why it is less than ideal.

[Teknoman]

All they need to do is close the gap a little between the amount of exp a really low level gets when playing with a higher level. Getting exp is fine and all, but they shouldnt be able to blast through levels. Doing this just as a precaution would work.

Of course no one wants to invalidate the nice new armor and low level areas in the game. It might not be as much of a problem since most people probably wont want to be power leveled anyway, and i'm sure exp rates will be tweaked again at some point.

[Zaireeka2025]

All they need to do is close the gap a little between the amount of exp a really low level gets when playing with a higher level. Getting exp is fine and all, but they shouldnt be able to blast through levels. Doing this just as a precaution would work.

Of course no one wants to invalidate the nice new armor and low level areas in the game. It might not be as much of a problem since most people probably wont want to be power leveled anyway, and i'm sure exp rates will be tweaked again at some point.

Agreed. Simple yet effective.

[ViolentDjango]

All they need to do is close the gap a little between the amount of exp a really low level gets when playing with a higher level. Getting exp is fine and all, but they shouldnt be able to blast through levels. Doing this just as a precaution would work.

Of course no one wants to invalidate the nice new armor and low level areas in the game. It might not be as much of a problem since most people probably wont want to be power leveled anyway, and i'm sure exp rates will be tweaked again at some point.

The only option is to pick an extreme, really. If you set it up where someone can get experience for monsters higher level than them, or even at their level, with help from someone significantly higher than no matter how low the curve is the higher level player will be able to blast them through levels.

If it's moderated at all, it will have to be modded to such an extreme that its either all or nothing -- and that's the problem with this issue, there is no real middle ground.

Its two different opinions from sides of the argument which should have nothing to do with each other. PL'ers shouldn't have to be forced to do things the way other people want them to, and non PL'ers shouldn't feel so threatened or insulted by the concept of people leveling fast if that's what they want. At the end of the day, only one side will really be happy with the outcome, regardless of what it is, because that's the only way it'll really work.

[Antonn]

A) New Players can essentially skip low-midgame content

Low-midgame content can be just as ignored w/o a PL.

B) New Players can essentially ignore the economy up until level 50

Does that matter? The economy isn't friendly towards new players anyway. They just nerfed all the vendor prices, with the economy already flooded with gold from the previous era. New players can't afford to buy anything w/o farming it themselves either way.

C) New Players can essentially ignore the party play component of the game that the new patch fully supports otherwise.

You can easily ignore the Party component w/o a PL by simply lving solo, better remove solo play from the game as well.

I honestly don't understand why so many people are so up in arms about PL. It exists in practically every MMO. The only explanation I see are people butt hurt about others not having to put as much effort to lv from the previous era.
No I don't have a 50, No I don't have anyone to PL me as I just started & don't know anyone. Would I accept a PL? Of course, I would love farming to be easier to help lv my crafts that require mob drops.

[Teknoman]

Heres a post from Oct. 6th by Reinhart, expert translator:

Another one is regarding PL although they are ok with the PL system they agree it's bit too much it defeats YoshiP's goal of being capped with 1 class over 2-3 month. No one expected it to be where you can PL and get 50 in 1-2 week lol.

So yeah, while they are ok, they wanted it so someone could be helped or level themselves from 1 to 50 in 2 months at the least. His vision wasnt something like this, so im 99% sure adjustments are coming very soon...in either 1.19a or even a b if necessary.

JP Side does talk about solo being much harder and SE probably wants them to start partying, but overall they are trying to adapt to it as fast as possible. I posted on my thread also but they do talk about the queue problem where it's being a problem for some when you can't stack actions but game still lets you press enter on action and the target disappears making it hard to get used to the timing. Also they do talk about leve's being bit too hard for solo specially the GC one with level 30 because of the amount of mob/links you get.

Another one is regarding PL although they are ok with the PL system they agree it's bit too much it defeats YoshiP's goal of being capped with 1 class over 2-3 month. No one expected it to be where you can PL and get 50 in 1-2 week lol.

Personally I'm solo/duo player and I did pretty bad with the first mob I tested on my Pug50, tried level 56 eft and almost died since I was fighting just like I used to not knowing the cure rate sucks compared to how much HP I have now lol But reading what YoshiP said about materia, and looking at the JP materia thread (talking about which materias give what stats, and them testing putting 2 IV materias on NQ/HQ gears and stuff) it seems like if you do it right you can pretty much solo without any problem imo. Just need to get used to the new system.

[Travesty]

Heres a post from Oct. 6th by Reinhart, expert translator:

Another one is regarding PL although they are ok with the PL system they agree it's bit too much it defeats YoshiP's goal of being capped with 1 class over 2-3 month. No one expected it to be where you can PL and get 50 in 1-2 week lol.

So yeah, while they are ok, they wanted it so someone could be helped or level themselves from 1 to 50 in 2 months at the least. His vision wasnt something like this, so im 99% sure adjustments are coming very soon...in either 1.19a or even a b if necessary.

This should really kind of be the end of this argument. If his vision was a capped class in 2-3 months, this system is obviously not his vision.

[ViolentDjango]

A) New Players can essentially skip low-midgame content

Low-midgame content can be just as ignored w/o a PL.

B) New Players can essentially ignore the economy up until level 50

Does that matter? The economy isn't friendly towards new players anyway. They just nerfed all the vendor prices, with the economy already flooded with gold from the previous era. New players can't afford to buy anything w/o farming it themselves whether they.

C) New Players can essentially ignore the party play component of the game that the new patch fully supports otherwise.

You can easily ignore the Party component w/o a PL by simply lving solo, better remove solo play form the game as well.

I honestly don't understand why so many people are so up in arms about PL. It exists in practically every MMO. The only explanation I see are people butt hurt about other not having to put as much effort to lv from the previous era. No I don't have a 50, No I don't have anyone to PL me as I just started. Would I accept a PL? Of course, I would love farming to be easier to help lv my crafts that require mob drops.

Not to be derogatory, but its quite simply pretense. Its people who take leveling as a mark of progress or prestige, because they worked hard to earn something and they feel people who PL are cheating their way to similar goals. Its the same issue you get in the pokemon community when people hack pokemon with completely legal stats and movelists to circumvent the haughty, time-consuming breeding/leveling process -- or even going older, when people would hack rare candies to level up faster.

There's absolutely nothing lost by the people who don't do this, nor by the people who do (except the rare candy thing, because it made you weaker) -- but people take it personally because they attribute skill to the amount of patience it takes to achieve these goals.

And that's not necessarily a bad thing, by any lengths, in my previous posts I referenced the treadmill effect and how it breeds an attachment to things you invest time in -- its not bad at all, its just not solid justification for holding it against other people that they don't want to invest the same ludicrous amount of time into what is a mundane prequel to the more significant components of a game.

Its different strokes for different folks -- and the complains are a reminder that despite how much people say that, a vast majority of people don't take it to heart.

This should really kind of be the end of this argument. If his vision was a capped class in 2-3 months, this system is obviously not his vision.

Personally, I can live with that, but it still doesn't make it something people should be losing their minds over.

Like was said early one, if its intentional -- its nothing to complain about. If its unintentional, it'll get fixed.

As it stands, it should be understood that the reason its not part of his vision is the same reason I stated before : they have a set time frame they want people to level within because it allows them to predict when they need to have content ready for each level range.

Essentially, the steep leveling curve is their flood gate.

I'm curious, however, how they plan to make 1 to 50 take 2-3 months (I assume they mean at a casual pace?) considering you can get from 1 to 20 in a couple of hours by spamming leves. <-- Solo, that is.

[Nuru]

(except the rare candy thing, because it made you weaker)

Its funny how you mention the pokemon community because it has high relation to what is going on here. Rare Candies in general just increase one factor. Leveling. Otherwise, the reason why they come out weaker is because there are hidden factors which are known as Effort Values when you use them in fighting other pokemon. Say for instance you wanted your pokemon to be more efficient in Speed, you would fight against fast pokemon like Voltorb or something. This can be done even at Level 100, and the stats will increase up to a certain limit.

Before i get carried away (which i probably already did), I am thinking that the way FFXIV works is that it is missing that beneficial factor (Effort Value)(it even has the key word, EFFORT), thus making being PLed only an easier route to level cap, with nothing lost in between.

Nobody will do Toto-rak anymore because the equipment isn't desirable. Let alone are they even going to use it. Why would you want equipment that you are not going to even use to fight with it? That is where that Effort Value is.

HOW TO FIX THIS ISSUE

Just thought that maybe it would be best to take FFXI's route and implement Level Sync.

This way, high level players also benefit this by spirit bonding equipment (Or even exp if they are not at 50), and low level players can experience the game as it should be.

[Zezlar]

A)

I honestly don't understand why so many people are so up in arms about PL. It exists in practically every MMO. The only explanation I see are people butt hurt about others not having to put as much effort to lv from the previous era.
No I don't have a 50, No I don't have anyone to PL me as I just started & don't know anyone. Would I accept a PL? Of course, I would love farming to be easier to help lv my crafts that require mob drops.

I never minded PLing in games such as FFXI where you had a healer outside keeping you alive. You're still working towards your exp by putting in the effort. In FFXIV all you have to do is literally stand there as some other high level kills almost every mob in a few hits gaining thousands of exp every minute.

[Tsuga]

Not to be derogatory, but its quite simply pretense. Its people who take leveling as a mark of progress or prestige, because they worked hard to earn something and they feel people who PL are cheating their way to similar goals. Its the same issue you get in the pokemon community when people hack pokemon with completely legal stats and movelists to circumvent the haughty, time-consuming breeding/leveling process -- or even going older, when people would hack rare candies to level up faster.

There's absolutely nothing lost by the people who don't do this, nor by the people who do (except the rare candy thing, because it made you weaker) -- but people take it personally because they attribute skill to the amount of patience it takes to achieve these goals.

And that's not necessarily a bad thing, by any lengths, in my previous posts I referenced the treadmill effect and how it breeds an attachment to things you invest time in -- its not bad at all, its just not solid justification for holding it against other people that they don't want to invest the same ludicrous amount of time into what is a mundane prequel to the more significant components of a game.

Its different strokes for different folks -- and the complains are a reminder that despite how much people say that, a vast majority of people don't take it to heart.



Personally, I can live with that, but it still doesn't make it something people should be losing their minds over.

Like was said early one, if its intentional -- its nothing to complain about. If its unintentional, it'll get fixed.

As it stands, it should be understood that the reason its not part of his vision is the same reason I stated before : they have a set time frame they want people to level within because it allows them to predict when they need to have content ready for each level range.

Essentially, the steep leveling curve is their flood gate.

I'm curious, however, how they plan to make 1 to 50 take 2-3 months (I assume they mean at a casual pace?) considering you can get from 1 to 20 in a couple of hours by spamming leves. <-- Solo, that is.

God damn your posts are so full of win.

Too bad very few here have the attention span to read them, especially the "plz PL me" babbies who are exploiting the system.