war nerfs(srs bznz pls)

[Khalithar]

If I have a fully functional car, and two cars that are problematic, i don't break my functional car, I fix the problematic cars.

Generally speaking with game design, is that when one class begins to outshine others it's almost always better to nerf the outlier to bring it line with the others. Going around buffing everyone creates an "arms race" scenario where everyone starts asking for what other classes have and that leads to homogenization.

[FoxyAreku]

I was under the impression that changes would be made to make all three tanks just as good as warrior, not just a straight nerf to warrior.

But as a Scholar main I think this is a good thing, both of those jobs are just too good.

[Freyyy]

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Your post is so damn accurate. You basically explained why I switched from being a WAR main in 2.1->2.55 to being a DRK main in 3.0 onwards. Some people just love playing challenging classes in games. I hope that they'll never take that away from us. I like my "poorly designed" or "clunky" DRK. I love it.

[Canadane]

Generally speaking with game design, is that when one class begins to outshine others it's almost always better to nerf the outlier to bring it line with the others. Going around buffing everyone creates an "arms race" scenario where everyone starts asking for what other classes have and that leads to homogenization.

SE has outright sad they'd rather buff lesser classes than nerf better ones for the sake of balance.

[Khalithar]

SE has outright sad they'd rather buff lesser classes than nerf better ones for the sake of balance.

With Yoshi saying he feels that War and Sch are too good, I think it's more likely we'll see nerfs to warrior and some QoL changes for Pld/Drk. But this is of course pure speculation.

[Xenosan]

I don't think nerfs will be necessary. There was a context of adding new abilities in that interview. So I imagine (hope) that new abilities for DRK/PLD/WHM/AST just need to cover more ground than the new abilities of SCH/WAR.

There are a things of WAR/SCHO that could be improved as well, just maybe without as much traction. No nerfs plz >.<

[Reynhart]

The extra healing helps make up for the increased health pool, and yes you can equilibrium to get some of it back but that plays into a well synergized class. If a war in deliverance has 20k hp and a paladin in shield oath has 20k, so the warrior switches to defiance for 20k hp out of 25k and they both get ready to take a 20k damage tank buster, then only the warrior will die without healing prior to the buster.

Nice biased example, don't you think ?
Let's take another. A WAR in Deliverance and a PLD in SwO, both with 20k HP. If they take the same hit like that, they'll both die. If they have time to use one GCD, the PLD will use ShO to gain 20% damage reduction, while the WAR will use one GCD to throw Inner Beast just after switching instantly to Defiance, to gain 20% damage reduction, while increasing it's basic HP. This without any use of a long cooldown.

And if you say that a WAR may not have 5 stacks ready just before a tank buster, then it's just a bad WAR.

This seems to be a recurring sentiment amongst WARs in 3.0.

Impressive how "better than other jobs" suddenly equals "well designed"...and that any ideas to improve PLD or DRK is deemed "OP", don't you think ?

WAR is not "well designed", its abilities are just more powerful without any logic...why do defensive cooldowns give you an offensive buff ?

[Aurius]

Not biased at all. Both of them are in tank stance, and one used a CD. To make it fair, the war would use ib, and the
Paladin rampart. The paladin takes 12800, war takes 16000. They both used a gcd CD (ib and shield oath) and ogcd (rampart and defiance) except inner beast won't heal 5k (at current gear levels it can, but 5k is not 25% max hp) so war has less hp, because it's stance needs prep.

[Aurius]

I really need to learn this phone... 5k is not max hp at current ilvl.

[Reynhart]

Not biased at all. Both of them are in tank stance, and one used a CD. To make it fair, the war would use ib, and the Paladin rampart.

You can't compare Defiance and its 10s CD and Rampart with its 90s CD. Within a proper CD rotation, Rampart can be on CD during the situation you describe.

For every situation where you need mitigation, WAR can have Inner Beast ready just when it switches tank stance. And it could also pop Equilibrium just after switching to Defiance and still having it ready again earlier than PLD's rampart.