Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Masquerade]

I am noticing an odd way of thinking for those who..disapprove..of my actions in leaving that group. You probably did not mean to come off this way (or maybe you did?) but.....

As you stated you are new to this game, I would like to point out to you, that for DPS (in this game), queues are VERY long depending on the type of dungeons they are queueing for. For tanks, queues are almost instant but for DPS they go up to 30mn if not an hour even more before they can enter any place. So, when they get in and a tank leaves right in the middle for them is a net loss and is from the tank (any doing so really other then if they really really suck and go beause of that reason which I do at times rarely but I do which then would be the right thing to do) a really unconsiderate and very disrespectful way of going about towards those players that were there with you. I am not saying your reasons are wrong but I am saying that before you leave as you did you mind want to think that in your group you are a key player a DPS is easely replaced there are lots of them but there arent as many tanks around. So as it looks like your going, had them probably requeue as no tanks queued in progress and they had to wait again a long time, when they were not guilty of anything. Some responsability comes with the role you choose.

I am sure you didnt know all that it implies but now that you know, I hope that next time you will take this into consideration before just going(I know is just a hope and yeah I believe people can act as person rather then being affected by the *either my way or none* attitude) To be fair, there are lots of people out there that act just like you, and each time it annoys me to no end.No offence meant of course not.
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Supply and demand. You know why the wait queues for DPS are so long? That's because there are a thousand other DPS ahead of the queue in them. Kick a DPS and you'll likely get an instant replacement.

Why are the wait queues for tanks/healers so short? Because there are very few tanks/healers willing to queue. Kick a tank from the group and you're likely to spend another hour just hoping another tank will queue, AND have checked the "in-progress" box.

Also, the people who believe that they can play this MMO as a single-player game, refusing to give other people any consideration whatsoever, just shouldn't be playing this game.

Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either.

On the other hand, any underperforming tanks/healers are much more likely to keep their place, since it would be more difficult to replace them.

Meant to or not, your pretty much saying that DPS players have more of a right to play and act in anyway they want, becouse they are so "replaceable."
But tanks and healers are fewer in numbers, and so they need to be above that, and put up with any nonsense because that group needs you more than you need them.

Tanks and healer, did not pick that class to act as a NPC shield and hi-potion for everyone else.

[SilkaN]

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Yes! This so much! I know exactly what you are talking about!

Clueless catbois with spiky hair and stupidly smug faces, standing in every aoe attack and having nothing but Final Fantasy related names.

I feel like our characters should meet up in Buscarron's Druthers and drink away our hate our dislike for them.

[synesthetic]

To me, that just sounds like a whole lot of reason for DPS to just relax and let tanks/healers do their jobs.

Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either.

On the other hand, any underperforming tanks/healers are much more likely to keep their place, since it would be more difficult to replace them.

I dunno. I agree that "underperforming" tanks/healers are kicked less, but not for the same reason. And underperforming DPS have less incentive to perform at all because it's harder to tell when they're doing poorly, and they're not as important as having a decent tank and healer. I haven't seen anyone say that they feel they need to learn how to play better so that they won't get kicked, so personally I don't think the risk of getting kicked is any incentive to do better. If anything, most people seem to believe that they're already doing the best they can do.

When I end up in a party with a hopelessly bad tank who doesn't understand what they're doing, someone usually eventually kicks that tank. 'cause like, if you're wiping to the first trash mob in a HW dungeon because the tank still hasn't figured out how to hold aggro, it's not a good sign for the rest of the run.

When I end up in a party with a hopelessly bad healer who doesn't understand... I think I've only seen them kicked once or twice, and only in cases where it was impossible to clear otherwise. Usually, the rest of the party just groans and bends over backwards to try to compensate. And then successfully clearing becomes a hero story to tell your grandkids.

When I end up in a party with a hopelessly bad DPS who doesn't understand, people just sigh and keep going because there are no DPS checks (in regular instances, not raids) where having just one bad DPS is going to stop you from clearing. And it's rare to get two DPS who are so -incredibly- bad that you can't clear. If they don't have a bad attitude, kicking them just feels mean.

That having been said, I've easily seen most kicks happen to DPS, and it's because of bad attitude.
It could be a coincidence that it's often someone doing really low DPS, or maybe it's similar to what's seen in more competitive games like Overwatch with the whole "gg ez" business. And then there's this strange unwarranted sense of entitlement. I know one DPS I saw even had the nerve to say no one else's opinion mattered and that we should be -happy- they're there, because "DPS make the run go faster". It was like, yes, that's true, but not with your DPS... And I'd rather it go even slower than know I'm carrying you when you have that kind of opinion.

[Mysterysword]

Meant to or not, your pretty much saying that DPS players have more of a right to play and act in anyway they want, becouse they are so "replaceable."
But tanks and healers are fewer in numbers, and so they need to be above that, and put up with any nonsense because that group needs you more than you need them.

I have no idea where you got that impression, because I've been saying the exact opposite: Tanks and healers can screw around and underperform all they want and they won't get kicked. Even if they do get kicked, they have fast queues and short waiting times. DPS have to put up with tanks and healers who won't or can't do their jobs.

On the other hand, when a DPS gets kicked, they're facing another long queue time.

[FinaSel]

Just got Sastasha in leveling roulette.
3 sprouts.
level 20, 21, 21.

It's the tank's first time. I figured he wasn't an alt because he seemed to get lost a few times.
I was a little nervous, but it was maybe the best run I've had in a LONG time.

The tank labeled every mob and the DPS only attacked the labeled mob. A DPS only drew aggro once, and the tank immediately picked it back up!

The DPS waited until the tank used Flash before attacking. And the tank used Flash very well.

Mobs went down fast and tank used skills well and must have had good gear because he took very little damage.

Tank picked up Scurvy Dogs quickly. DPS took them down well. No adds spawned at the final boss fight.

DPS were also using their skills well.

I mean...damage was great. Tank managed hate well and controlled the mobs.
And all 3 were sprouts!

Even when I run Sastasha with people who've been playing for years it doesn't go this well.

The only bad thing about the entire thing was that I could only give 1 commendation.

EDIT: And I don't think they knew each other because their language settings were different.

[MeiUshu]

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Nobody said that at all...but if it suits you to believe so be my guest. I dont think you will ever admit that your attitude may not be appropriate. I am a firm believer that karma has a way. So in time we will read about how unfair it was for you to be kicked because you didnt know why or because you were not good enough....although you will say you were.

At any rate...good luck

[Maddonious]

Nobody said that at all...but if it suits you to believe so be my guest. I dont think you will ever admit that your attitude may not be appropriate. I am a firm believer that karma has a way. So in time we will read about how unfair it was for you to be kicked because you didnt know why or because you were not good enough....although you will say you were.

At any rate...good luck

Leave the man alone. So he left, big deal. Don't be hating on him now that he doesnt instantly see your side of things and beg for forgiveness. Saying that karma will get him good and you hope to see him cry on the forums seems incredibly childish.

@Masquerade: Do what you want to do man. In the future tho if you feel your not being respected enough you might want to consider kicking the harasser to avoid having the innocence suffer as others have stated that healers and especially tanks are a rare commoditiy. Any dungeons under 50 have an incredibly hard time finding tanks and healers so use that to your advantage. Someone being an ass? Take these simple steps!

1. Threaten them: Make them respect your privilege and authority before continuing the dungeon. Let the know whos in charge. Halt the dungeon to a complete stop until you get an apology.
2. Kick them: If step one doesnt show results you vote to kick them and let all in the party know that you WILL NOT PROGRESS until the deed is done or they can find another tank for the next 30 mins if the motion doesnt pass.
3. Leave: If for some reason the others thought that not kicking the rude person was the best option then its time to let them all suffer for not being on your side of the fight. Let them know it was fun but they chose to find a new tank with rejecting the kick. Wish them the best of luck waiting for an inprog tank for the next 10-30 mins cause they really wanted that guy to stay. Make sure to rub it in their faces that your next queue will be instant for good measure.
4. (optional step): If you wish to avoid a penelty from leaving then ask them to kick you! Dont even try to help them no more, they will last 5-10 mins before they meet your demands for a kick when they realise your rock solid in your beliefs, let them know you have all the time in the world to make them suffer otherwise. Or you could *cough* "DC" randomly and stay off for 5-10 mins as well.

Once again this works best on pre50 dungeons. Follow these guidelines and you will be well on your way into becoming a proper tank with disrespect issues \o/

[Masquerade]

I have no idea where you got that impression, because I've been saying the exact opposite: Tanks and healers can screw around and underperform all they want and they won't get kicked. Even if they do get kicked, they have fast queues and short waiting times. DPS have to put up with tanks and healers who won't or can't do their jobs.

On the other hand, when a DPS gets kicked, they're facing another long queue time.

I say "To me, that just sounds like a whole lot of reason for DPS to just relax and let tanks/healers do their jobs. "
and you replay [B]"Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either."[/B ....."just relax and let tanks healers do their jobs"....."not really" unless you misunderstood my meaning, then your saying dps can do what they want to.


And for the record, trust me when I see when a DPS does well and poorly. Tanks and healer take notice of that.. It does go upraised a lot of the time.
Even anything the praise it backwards.
If the DPS has a slow burn, and the fight last longer, tank and healer are more likely to lose power. Tanks loses aggro, mobs spread to the entire party and healer can not keep up. Tank and/or healer get blamed.
DPS has a strong burn, melts the mobs like butter, making things very,very easy for the tank and healer = tank and healz get all the credit.

But pick up groups are often very short, and no one sticks around after the group long enough to pat one another on the back and give praise.

[Masquerade]

Nobody said that at all...but if it suits you to believe so be my guest. I dont think you will ever admit that your attitude may not be appropriate. I am a firm believer that karma has a way. So in time we will read about how unfair it was for you to be kicked because you didnt know why or because you were not good enough....although you will say you were.

At any rate...good luck

Reread your post.
"I am not saying your reasons are wrong but I am saying that before you leave as you did you mind want to think that in your group you are a key player a DPS is easely replaced." While saying that I am not wrong, you make the suggestion that it would have been better to kick the dps because they are so replaceable. And that even tho I was ticked off, and was no longer having any fun in that run, because there are so few tanks I still should have stayed for the sake of the group. My enjoyment no longer mattered. The important thing is getting the other dps and the replacement dps to the end of the zone. As for the healer...well they are few in number too, so he needed to help dps as well.

Some responsability comes with the role you choose.
So not meaning that tanks and healers should be above feeling offended and just do runs like an NPC?

You then choose to end with
"To be fair, there are lots of people out there that act just like you, and each time it annoys me to no end.No offence meant of course not."
err how about spending less time getting annoyed with people who choose to leave the group for feeling offended, and spend more time being annoyed with people who go around being offensive.

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[synesthetic]

the praise it backwards.
If the DPS has a slow burn, and the fight last longer, tank and healer are more likely to lose power. Tanks loses aggro, mobs spread to the entire party and healer can not keep up. Tank and/or healer get blamed.
DPS has a strong burn, melts the mobs like butter, making things very,very easy for the tank and healer = tank and healz get all the credit.

lol This is so true. And for the buttery parties, I always feel so bad that I can't give comms to everyone, because it really takes -everyone- doing a great job to get runs like that. I usually give my comm to one of the DPS.