Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[vanitaslaughing]

Tales from the World's Okayest Warrior on her way to Grandmaster of War - we've reached critical Nidhogg Velocity. I've had three parties made entirely of level 60s today, so I skipped the sleeping dragons thinking that these people would appreciate the few minutes saved. I guess they did, I walked out with 7 out of 9 possible commends.

That last run had a newbie WHM (on level 60, mind), so I cranked out my secret Mentor (I don't run around with the crown because I really don't want to be associated with The Average Bad Mentor), and gave 'em a few pointers. Sprinkled in a bit of healing advice because I've brought every healer through this dungeon (many don't realise the poison can't be dispelled even after using their dispell a few times, haha). They actually took that advice, that warmed my heart a little because they did so well.

The bard, on the other hand, never once used Minuet. Okay? The MCH under Gauss did some insane damage, the run wasn't that much longer than the average Aery? Although they cut it close because both Sables targetted them and Cleric-less WHM and Minuet-less BRD just BARELY freed them both times (I don't wanna turn good old 'Nog on them, hence why I couldn't do much, y'see)

[Masquerade]

Last night.

I sign up and get in a group for The Howling Eye. It was my first time there, as well as the first for everyone else in the group. Because of that we died 5 times before killing the boss. But that was not the horror for me.


I only just recently figured out about using the The Unending Journey book in the inn to watch past cutscenes. So I hit skip for all the movies and after the fight immediately run to the inn to find out what is happening in the story.....it's not in the damn book. I have to run it again.

The next time was so much quicker. Only a fraction of the time the first fight took. I knew to tank the boss with her facing away from the rock piles this time. And the dps there knew to go after the feather adds. Of-course while I watched the movie, two people in the group complained about having to wait on me and the other person who was watching the cutscenes. One saying how the scenes in this game are way too long. And the other asking us to skip and using the book in the inn to watch it later. I did not bother to tell him I tried already.

But even tho I was able to see 2 of the scenes that I skipped, the 3rd one at the end when you zone out for the first time where it has voice audio and introduces the Ultima Weapon...that I had to watch on youtube.

EDIT
I just figured out how to switch chapters in the book to see all the cutscenes.

[Masquerade]

Also to say that the *whole group* was bad is kind of strange to hear....was it really so or is that you finding a justification to you going ?. (I dont need an answer to this)

The "group" was bad. Not the individual players. We had a dps that was in a rush and had a smart mouth, and a tank who was not in the mood to put up with any nonsense.
The group was doomed from the start.

I get what are you are saying, but to be honest...I'm not spending time and money on this game for other people. I play for me.

[Masquerade]

I would like to point out to you, that for DPS (in this game), queues are VERY long depending on the type of dungeons they are queueing for. For tanks, queues are almost instant but for DPS they go up to 30mn if not an hour even more before they can enter any place..

err But wait...if it's a long wait for dps..but for a tank to get in a groups it's "almost instant" does that not mean that they replaced me almost instantly?

[Thorondor]

err But wait...if it's a long wait for dps..but for a tank to get in a groups it's "almost instant" does that not mean that they replaced me almost instantly?

Nope,because most tank don't queues with the in progress option mainly because their queues are fast. I know, I don't. I don't want to end up in a "Damaged" party already, I prefer my chance with a new party. But to be honest I just always forget to check the box before queueing as Tank. Most DPS I know will check it and will hope to get a faster queue. The in progress option is not by default! A tank or a healer leaving a party always cause more damage then a DPS for that reason. The in progress option is not by default!

It's insta queues for Tanks and Healers cause most parties in the queues are waiting for a tank or a healer rarely a dps. The queue is long for DPS because there is so many of them in queues that there is never enough healer/tank to empty the queue at a good pace.

[Mysterysword]

err But wait...if it's a long wait for dps..but for a tank to get in a groups it's "almost instant" does that not mean that they replaced me almost instantly?

Supply and demand. You know why the wait queues for DPS are so long? That's because there are a thousand other DPS ahead of the queue in them. Kick a DPS and you'll likely get an instant replacement.

Why are the wait queues for tanks/healers so short? Because there are very few tanks/healers willing to queue. Kick a tank from the group and you're likely to spend another hour just hoping another tank will queue, AND have checked the "in-progress" box.

Also, the people who believe that they can play this MMO as a single-player game, refusing to give other people any consideration whatsoever, just shouldn't be playing this game.

[MeiUshu]

err But wait...if it's a long wait for dps..but for a tank to get in a groups it's "almost instant" does that not mean that they replaced me almost instantly?

yes provided they queue in progress (meaning they thick the box) which is rare they dont need to use that since they can enter a place instant without going through in-progress.

I wish it was true and we had more tanks queueing in-progress some dungeons is the case but is soo rare.

[Malicewolf]

err But wait...if it's a long wait for dps..but for a tank to get in a groups it's "almost instant" does that not mean that they replaced me almost instantly?

Us tanks are rare commodities :P Most people play as DPS. As you've likely noticed by now, there's a lot of pressure on tanks in general in this game to be DPS as well as tanks. Tanks are also easily blamed for things (as are healers as well) and overall, people prefer to push out higher damage numbers in general rather than play as a tank. So because there are considerably less tanks than DPS, our queue's are practically instant. Try playing a DPS sometime and you'll notice you'll be sitting on some queue's for an hour. I honestly hate solo queuing as a DPS for this very reason.

While it is nice for a tank to try to be considerate of his entire party, I will also say, that DPS in your party was a jerk... Kicking him would likely of been the better option, but I don't necessarily blame you for leaving either. And in lower level dungeons, if your healer is not a WHM, they may not have protect as one of their 1st cross classes and it might of gotten cut off. So honestly, having a tank that has it is usually a great thing. Dunno where that LNC was even coming from with his statement.

[B0YRaNmA]

I sign up for Halatali. Easy, short. be out of there in 15 minutes or less.

Group starts and the healer had not cast Protect yet, so I do so.

.........Lancer runs and pulls them over...alright, he is doing this on purpose.

After I'm sure I got aggro on everything, I quickly say in chat "stop"
Thinking that one word of mine, should pretty much be the end of the conversation. --I'm tanking, I just let it be known that that's not the way I want to run this. Done.-- I let it go. I'm not even annoyed with him. ..and then he says "then dont cast protect"

I wait tell we finish that fight. Say "you can tank...." and leave the group.

First - you casting protect is not wrong, the healer MAY Be one those that think protect is not necessary, but to you it is...
Second - DPS pull is not kewl, I play both DPS and Tank. As a DPS, I never run in front or pull for tanks, don't need to cause usually I would still be able to melt things down even if I don't pull. If tanks wait super long then you call out their name to see if they're afk, cause that's not kewl to go afk w/o saying a word.
As a tank, if a DPS pulls for me, I'd ask them to stop, because I'd end up using more resources than what's needed. Though if I feel like being lazy that day, then they could pull all they want cause if I lose hate, it's not my problem. I've got times when I asked them to stop pulling and they stop DPSing all together...

I don't consider leaving disrespectful, cause you already told them to stop and they says otherwise. Also, you end up no different than them waiting or re-queue by taking penalty for not wanting to get ban by having a heated argument.

[ExKage]

I was amused yesterday when I queued into AK normal mode. LVL 60 Mentor PLD, sprout 52ish DRG, a BLM and myself as a WHM leveling at 56. The PLD switches between multiple pulls and small pulls with a random assortment of buffs (Hallowed Ground + Sentinel popped at same time??? Ok I won't question it).



I spend most of my time in CS holying or killing things. He doesn't stun the summoners so I'm guessing he wants the added exp... for us since he's 60. Cool.

In the middle of trash, DRG asks about anything to be aware of for bosses. I mention they got nerfed so he only needs to worry about aoes and that repel knocks you back on Demon Wall so don't get knocked off. This becomes important, I forgot to mention that you need to be in the middle for the knockback. I also mention imminent catastrophe and tail swipe for the last boss but those are meaningless as I can heal through them.

That important bit? Both the DRG and the BLM get knocked off by repel cause they stayed on the side. Oops. I add that important bit belatedly while tank and I finish the wall off.

What gave me giggles is the lvl 60 PLD mentor say (after I belatedly amend my tip for demon wall):
"im a vet lol
and a mentor
sooooo"

So i guess no tips from him to help? XD