Yoshida' stance on PL and why it is less than ideal.

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That doesn't fix the fact that there should be more parties for these new players to learn and practice their class though. Though the smart ones, PLed or not, would do thorough research on their class regardless and would be able to put it to practice later down the line, but that doesn't mean that it should be the route to take. ^^;;

Not everyone cares for WoW. If they did, they'd be playing it already. Many of us want this game to succeed, and want to be able to enjoy everything it has to offer. I never said I was "forced" to be powerleveled, but I said it's almost hard not to with the lack of -normal- leveling parties. Which is part of the problem with the introduction of Powerleveling to this extent. Powerleveling just takes away more people that would otherwise be available to form a regular party with.

If everyone is supposedly powerleveling like these threads suggest, then wouldn't that tell you the grouping just to kill the same mob for the thousanth time just to see a bar move, is too annoying for everybody to want to do it.

[Betelgeuzah]

If everyone is supposedly powerleveling like these threads suggest, then wouldn't that tell you the grouping just to kill the same mob for the thousanth time just to see a bar move, is too annoying for everybody to want to do it.

If ifrit weapons were offered for free, everybody would gladly take the offer. In that case the ifrit fight is probably too annoying for everybody to want to do it.

[AriaHawksong]

If everyone is supposedly powerleveling like these threads suggest, then wouldn't that tell you the grouping just to kill the same mob for the thousandth time just to see a bar move, is too annoying for everybody to want to do it.

To some extent, I would agree. But isn't that the general idea of leveling in almost any other MMO? Despite what people say, grinding is grinding. It exists in every MMO. You may not kill the exact same mob every time, but for certain level ranges that will sometimes be the case. Playing an MMO and not expecting a grind to some extent is a little naive. I don't know about you, but I find the social aspect of partying and meeting new people to be one of the more enjoyable aspects of online gaming. In FFXI, I made many friends over my playtime. I find it saddening the highly contrasted differences between FFXI's community back when I played and FFXIV's complete lack of communication outside of a linkshell.

[Rinsui]

If everyone is supposedly powerleveling like these threads suggest, then wouldn't that tell you the grouping just to kill the same mob for the thousanth time just to see a bar move, is too annoying for everybody to want to do it.

If players don't like a game element,

a) either abolish the element completely (everybody starts at LV50) or
b) improve the element.

Powerleveling, however is an awkwardly half-assed solution. Leveling is still present as a mindless "grind" (those few hours you waste by auto-following a high level friend before you can start playing the "real" game).

Basically, Yoshi replaced the mindless zergs we had before (behest, roaming zergs) with something that doesn't even require you to touch your keyboard anymore. Do you call that an evolution?

If ifrit weapons were offered for free, everybody would gladly take the offer. In that case the ifrit fight is probably too annoying for everybody to want to do it

Dito.

[Wolfie]

Not happy about that stance. There are other ways to make sure low level players can interact with high level friends, like level sync or quests specifically designed with a PL in mind, that offer appropriate rewards for both players.

[Sephrick]

Great way to argue about an opinion you don't seem to agree with. "They don't agree with me? They're trolling."

This issue is nothing like anything else people have raised a fuss about. People will do what is most efficient if they have the tools to do so- this isn't some chicken little rambling, there is more than enough evidence of this in any MMO of your choosing. If PLing is the way of least resistance, and people have access to said method, that is what they will be doing. People don't go out of their way to make things harder for themselves. They only tend to do that if they have no other option.

The patch is still in early stages- it'll take a while for everyone to catch up to what is the name of the game.

Funny, because the few on these forums who are against the new system seem to want to make things harder on everyone, not just themselves.

People who want to power level could have in this same exact fashion before 1.19. Nothing changed in this patch other than the link system making exp quicker no matter your chosen method.

And maybe this isn't trolling, but again: Chicken Little. The same few people have spent so much time saying how each patch wad going to be the death of the game that it's hard not to take it as trolling. Especially since after each of these patches the world population noticibly increases.

Yoshi's stance is a reasonable one. In XI, a player with a dedicated PL can afk their way to cap in a month. There were plenty of parties in the early days when the response to "Why is that naked guy afk?" was "He's a friend of the PL."

XIV has plenty of options. If your choice is to not experience the game, it's your choice. Because those people will find a way, regardless. Or they can do traditional parties. Or run raids. Or leve link. Or any combination of those.

You took the first part of my post and dismissed the rest, so let me say it again. Of the five days I've been online since 1.19, I've been in seven exp parties. None of them had a PL. In one, a lone member did ask if we wanted one, but the rest of us said "no, thanks."

My point in assuming it's trolling is because the issue is blown out of proportion by a small handful of people who seem to have an issue with every single patch.

If people are having trouble finding a party, perhaps they need to realize it's a fault of the fact that we don't have a legitimate search function as opposed to a system that allows PLing in the same way that was possible prior to the patch.

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If ifrit weapons were offered for free, everybody would gladly take the offer. In that case the ifrit fight is probably too annoying for everybody to want to do it.

See you are saying everyone. Not me. I like to earn my rewards. So there's one that wouldn't. So that is not everyone.
I'm sure there are alot of others.

If someone is so bad at the game cause they had everything handed to them, so be it. Just drop them from your grp.

Create an ls on your server and recruit like minded ppl so then you play with and socialize with ppl who did it your way.

[AlexNiculaie]

You know, for all the bitching, whining and moaning going on about power leveling, I have seen 1 this entire week. Not one of our LS members have been in one, nor have they seen enough groups doing it to complain. So far, most people seem very content to party in the standard set up. Yet another thread making mountains of molehills.

[Rinsui]

You know, for all the bitching, whining and moaning going on about power leveling, I have seen 1 this entire week. Not one of our LS members have been in one, nor have they seen enough groups doing it to complain.

Huh? Since when was besaid server on Mars?

[Betelgeuzah]

You didn't see most people exping on mamool ja and puks at the start of ToAU either. It takes a while for the playerbase to catch up. Doesn't mean it's not gonna happen.

In XI, a player with a dedicated PL can afk their way to cap in a month.

In XIV, a dedicated PL can afk their way to cap in 2 days. It's not just limited to a very specific way of PL'ing either. The low level group still did most of the work in XI. They were not by any means useless or unnecessary. Only the healer was, at worst. The exp was only as fast as the killspeed of the group, not the PL.