As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[ty_taurus]

They have to design new healing archetypes around this Conjurer-only ability.

This is really the only issue I have with Job kits in XIV. It's silly that several class abilities are considered standard across jobs. Other candidates include Protect, Blood for Blood, and Provoke. These core mechanics should've been built into all Jobs the same way other core abilities are. I don't need to cross-class Cure as an AST or SCH.

It's a horrible idea to stomp out healer DPS entirely. The game is designed in a way that doesn't require healer DPS. You aren't going to cause a wipe if you don't, but you're rewarded if you do.Cleric Stance was a bad idea to begin with, as Healer DPS should've been built off MND. The difficulty of stance dancing isn't healthy in the big picture, especially when deactivating Cleric Stance can get really buggy.

[Eul]

I don't care for dps check, but for WHM, at least use Holy to stun those mob! Those 5 seconds of stun is already helpful to save tank draining their HP.

[RopeDrink]

Back from a Roulette Snowcloak. Tank & 2xDPS new to the game/dungeon. First boss, no prob. Yeti, longest boss fight in FFXIV history. Dragoon was nuking all adds (preventing snowballs), and when we did get Snowballs, he'd kill them or hit them away from boss. A week later it dies, get to last boss, explain the mechanics and... Watch as the other DPS eats 6 Lunar Screams in a row (insta-kill). Dragoon from before is flailing around, so it's mostly me and the tank (and literally so when the Dragoon also eventually dies). The Bard at least threw in some MP restores between Raises, but the two boss fights took longer than a raid.

Would situations like that even persuade some of the 'not my job' people to chip in with DPS? Or would you just wipe and start over because it's not your job? No, as a Healer, it is not my responsibility to DPS, ever - but as Taurus above said, it is rewarding to do so (and I see no reason why anyone wouldn't). I do it any chance I get, regardless.

[mp-please]

Back from a Roulette Snowcloak. Tank & 2xDPS new to the game/dungeon. First boss, no prob. Yeti, longest boss fight in FFXIV history. Dragoon was nuking all adds (preventing snowballs), and when we did get Snowballs, he'd kill them or hit them away from boss. A week later it dies, get to last boss, explain the mechanics and... Watch as the other DPS eats 6 Lunar Screams in a row (insta-kill). Dragoon from before is flailing around, so it's mostly me and the tank (and literally so when the Dragoon also eventually dies). The Bard at least threw in some MP restores between Raises, but the two boss fights took longer than a raid.

You could've kept the dragoon dead if he was performing that badly, hell, i would've kicked him right after the yeti boss. One thing is performing badly, another is straight out ignoring mechanics. Lunar cry isn't a one shot skill either as long you don't have weakness debuff.

[CookieMonsta]

You could've kept the dragoon dead if he was performing that badly, hell, i would've kicked him right after the yeti boss. One thing is performing badly, another is straight out ignoring mechanics. Lunar cry isn't a one shot skill either as long you don't have weakness debuff.

Do you know whats a bigger DPS loss than a party member dying/ignoring mechanics? a party member dying and not being rezzed out of spite.

[mp-please]

Do you know whats a bigger DPS loss than a party member dying/ignoring mechanics? a party member dying and not being rezzed out of spite.

It has nothing to do with spite, a healer with mp while dpsing is a better asset to the team than a healer with 0 mp because he has to constantly raise that party member that is most likely doing suboptimal dps. Considering its lv 50 content, healers can do 350-400 dps on single target, considering all those deaths the dragoon was having, it was wiser to leave the dragoon dead and pull that dps than raising it to do his >200 dps before he died again (considering the mechanic he was dying to comes up every min or so) while healer is at 0 and most likely hardcasting res most of the time.

[Judge_Xero]

Do you know whats a bigger DPS loss than a party member dying/ignoring mechanics? a party member dying and not being rezzed out of spite.

Nah. Ran into that tons of times where a DPS has such low damage and took so much damage ignoring mechanics it was better to leave them KO'd.

That way I could DPS more instead of burning MP keeping them Raised/Healed.

[ty_taurus]

I thought of a great example to describe the situation with healers and DPS.

So picture that you own a restaurant, and you just hired a server. Said server does a great job waiting on tables. Suddenly, you notice a customer spilled something on the floor. You call to your server and ask them to grab the mob and wipe up the spill while you watch the front, and they respond: "That's not my job."

It's the same here. No, the healer's job isn't to DPS, just like it's not the server's job to mop the floor. But why would I keep around a server like that when I can hire one that will wait tables and clean spills? For the same reason, why should I recruit a healer that won't DPS, when I can find one that will?

[Tint]

I thought of a great example to describe the situation with healers and DPS.

So picture that you own a restaurant, and you just hired a server. Said server does a great job waiting on tables. Suddenly, you notice a customer spilled something on the floor. You call to your server and ask them to grab the mob and wipe up the spill while you watch the front, and they respond: "That's not my job."

sure, i can grab the mob and wipe up the mess even when it is not my job SOMETIMES. but when i have to clean the restaurant every day and using the mob more often than waiting the tables, then i will say "That's not my job." but we have another difference here: you are comparing with a job where i get payed for.

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is the keeper in the football or ice hockey or whatever-sport also considered "lazy" because he is most of the time just staying there, doing nothing?

[mp-please]

sure, i can grab the mob and wipe up the mess even when it is not my job SOMETIMES. but when i have to clean the restaurant every day and using the mob more often than waiting the tables, then i will say "That's not my job." but we have another difference here: you are comparing with a job where i get payed for.

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is the keeper in the football or ice hockey or whatever-sport also considered "lazy" because he is most of the time just staying there, doing nothing?

these examples are getting out of hand...

Also waiters are always required to help around in cleaning, supply, inventory counting, etc when there are less or no clients to serve, now where have i heard this before. Same way as goal keepers don't receive the same training that a forward player gets and so that example would only apply if xiv healers had 0 offense skills.