Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Underdog2204]

If you use a parser frequently you will notice how common it is :P

Hmm I certainly don't remember the last time an expert roulette run took me over 30mins, even 30min being considered long I would call bs on. My queue can be longer than the runs take themselves.

It's nearly always between 15-20mins for my runs... So you guys tell me how is it so prevelent yet I can't seem to find these people? I always run with randoms too... Kinda odd I would say. Esoecially bearing in mind I remember the time when DRG standard rotation consisted of Vorpal Thrust only.

[Frederick22]

Hmm I certainly don't remember the last time an expert roulette run took me over 30mins, even 30min being considered long I would call bs on. My queue can be longer than the runs take themselves.

It's nearly always between 15-20mins for my runs... So you guys tell me how is it so prevelent yet I can't seem to find these people? I always run with randoms too... Kinda odd I would say. Esoecially bearing in mind I remember the time when DRG standard rotation consisted of Vorpal Thrust only.

bad players will always be on an agrresive defense pósition.

It's so hard to just accept it?

[Underdog2204]

bad players will always be on an agrresive defense pósition.

It's so hard to just accept it?

Ohh is this where you accuse me of being said player now because I disagree and my experience doesn't mirror yours? Ohh how enlightened...

It's a question and one many of us here have, explain to us why we don't see what you are telling is always there? Not only that tell us how exaclty it is getting worse (again especially bearing in mind how I remember how things really were)?

When was your last run that took 30mins or over? How long was it between that one and the one before it occuring?

[Frederick22]

So if they are doing their single target rotation that means they are pulling over 200-400 dps... I though that is what the whole point of this is... Ofc I don't believe it is that for a second but you've just blown that entire argument out of the water. So a tank that doesn't use defensive cd's and live's should be kicked... okie dokie. Why keep doing big pulls if someone isn't using their AoE rotation? Like really it's a simple solution for a temporary problem, keep bashing you head against that wall in the hopes the outcome might be different if it makes you feel better though.

I personally call your playstyle of "must speedrun" bad and would like you to be demoted to the bottom tier of DF tyvm due to unadapatability and an unwillingness to co-operate with your group. Such a mentality affects me and everyone who comes into contact with you and offers an extremely poor learning environment. Wait a minute... Doesn't this sound familiar...

No need to say more.....

[Underdog2204]

No need to say more.....

Actually yes, yes you do. Being so dismissive without putting forward one point shows how much substance you have.

Witch hunts never work yet they are always on the "attack" position (irony much).

[Launched]

So if they are doing their single target rotation that means they are pulling over 200-400 dps... I though that is what the whole point of this is... Ofc I don't believe it is that for a second but you've just blown that entire argument out of the water.

How do you think someone doing their single target rotation on a group of 6-8 enemies is anywhere near acceptable when all jobs have good aoe options?

So a tank that doesn't use defensive cd's and live's should be kicked... okie dokie. Why keep doing big pulls if someone isn't using their AoE rotation? Like really it's a simple solution for a temporary problem, keep bashing you head against that wall in the hopes the outcome might be different if it makes you feel better though.

A tank that doesn't use cooldowns should be kicked, and should consider playing another role. When I tank, I'll always do big pulls unless I have a badly geared healer because even if the other 3 are bad, the run still goes faster with me aoeing. Doesn't make it any less annoying to see that NIN that focuses down one mob at a time.

I personally call your playstyle of "must speedrun" bad and would like you to be demoted to the bottom tier of DF tyvm due to unadapatability and an unwillingness to co-operate with your group. Such a mentality affects me and everyone who comes into contact with you and offers an extremely poor learning environment. Wait a minute... Doesn't this sound familiar...

I'll never understand this idea of buying a game then putting no effort into it.

[Underdog2204]

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Well I personally would find it acceptable because me and the healer can be doing it... It's not an issue... I acutally perfer it in some cases, means I can help easier with my OGCD's and only have to care about my own TP use.

Ok fair enough, it being annoying to you is not something I find an acceptable excuse for a witch hunt and splitting up the community. Grow a thicker skin and get over it imo.

Who says they don't? You the arbiter of who does and doesn't? Said person could do alot of stuff that is very pro-active yet you have no way to know it. I would also find your reasoning as to not speedrunning being lazy wonky at best.

Saying "but it would be faster if..." doesn't sway me much, it would be faster if x was a pro, it would be faster if y had better gear, it would be faster if z played a different job etc. Where is the line drawn with such an argument? The problem is still the same that requires a solution yes?

[Miste]

Ohh is this where you accuse me of being said player now because I disagree and my experience doesn't mirror yours? Ohh how enlightened...

Aren't you basically doing this to others too though? You accuse others of making a big deal out of nothing just because you don't agree and your experience doesn't mirror theirs.

You keep saying your experience isn't the same as other people who have seen some consistently bad play so you try to dismiss their experience by saying the problem doesn't exist just because YOU don't run into it. So um...nice pointing out something you are doing also? It kind of ruins your self perceived higher ground here.

Was that enlightening?

[Underdog2204]

Aren't you basically doing this to others too though? You accuse others of making a big deal out of nothing just because you don't agree and your experience doesn't mirror theirs.

You keep saying your experience isn't the same as other people who have seen some consistently bad play so you try to dismiss their experience by saying the problem doesn't exist just because YOU don't run into it. So um...nice pointing out something you are doing also? It kind of ruins your self perceived higher ground here.

Was that enlightening?

Wrong I've said it does happen, just not as often as people like to think it does (someone always has to find fault with someone else for things that don't matter).

First it's people pulling "200-400 dps" that are the problem, now it's melee who single target (a minor annoyance at best) etc... All of this does nothing to change my mind about how it's just people making excuses for what they would like it to be but really isn't.

So I'll ask yet again when was your last DF Expert roulette run that took 30mins or over? How long (approx) was the time between then and time before it occuring?

[ToppeHatte]

I don't think a grading system is necessary per se, but we DO need some sort of checks to ensure players are improving. Just make some more SSS dummies and require that players complete them before being allowed entry into the new content. It's frankly RIDICULOUS that there are players at level 60 who still barely know how to play the game, and it can be largely blamed on SE for not properly teaching players and not being stricter with their requirements. I hate feeling like I'm being punished when I'm thrown into trial roulette and am incapable of meeting DPS checks because of the people around me who can't do the bare minimum the game asks you to.