Armor repairing, what do you think about it?

[TheVedis]

I like repiars, but I think the self sufficant got in the way on that. PPl like the crafters only did it for themselves instead of the community. Which is what skrewed it over a bit. If I could install my game i'd craft so I can repair ppl gear. I like leveling my characters to be a good community person. Like i like lvling higher to help ppl etc. I wish more ppl were like this, it makes playing mmo more fun imo. I typically run by if you pay with mats used or gil for mats. I wouldn't do big price tags or base it of npc (which some ppl admited in doing. I like it adds it add more depth to the game. And gives crafter importance. Personally though I much rather see duribility on death rather over time. Or 1% over say 50-100 uses so its not decreasing to fast.

i didnt level my crafts to be self sufficient, i leveled them for the sake of leveling them(and helping my shell out with gear needs and repairs)

the helping other people part only goes so far, you cant help people who cant help themselves, and if people arent willing to pay at least what the repair costs to do, then shame on them

there is such a thing as expecting help, and theres another thing expecting hand outs. im not one to give hand outs and i dont encourage anyone else to either.


as others stated too, durability goes down rather slow now, i see maybe 10% per hour when im heavily crafting, havent paid attention to my fighting gear as i dont fight for hours straight on it.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

ya.. the ffxivcore crafters like talking about how much reward money they get. Woot. Can't tell ya how old that is. Sorry but I lurked ffxivcore.com and I hated when yall complained about the reward money you get offered. And fact someone suggested to make a buiness outa it and most of yall refused kinda made it sound worst. I'm more of a take what I can get type person. I much rather help the community then be greedy. If I needed money bad I go to levequests and earn it.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

ved I recall you from ffxivcore and your at this point a broken record not trying to be rude but that the truth.

[TheVedis]

ya.. the ffxivcore crafters like talking about how much reward money they get. Woot. Can't tell ya how old that is. Sorry but I lurked ffxivcore.com and I hated when yall complained about the reward money you get offered. And fact someone suggested to make a buiness outa it and most of yall refused kinda made it sound worst. I'm more of a take what I can get type person. I much rather help the community then be greedy. If I needed money bad I go to levequests and earn it.

i wasnt on core myself so i dont know what was said over there

personaly, i dont try to "profit" off of repairs, but i want at least what the repair is worth
dont offer me 500 gil for a buffalo specth repair, dont offer me 100 gil for fent, im not paying to do your repairs, YOU ARE.

and you talk about greed like its the crafters being greedy, its not, its the people wanting the repairs being greedy, thats the problem. MOST crafters are happy just repairing an item to break even, its the people who want them refusing to pay that, and most of them at that, where you see the greed really happening

you are not helping them by giving in to their greed, in fact, you are actualy hurting others by encouraging them to keep posting for those low low "cost to the crafter" prices and hurting the crafting community in turn

[TheVedis]

ved I recall you from ffxivcore and your at this point a broken record not trying to be rude but that the truth.

i dont have an account on core, you have me confused with someone else. ive posted on zam for quite a while, and i was never one of those "i want to profit" people, i was always about breaking even, and not giving handouts. zam had a few of the types you mentioned, but it was never taken serious enough to go far.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

ahh musta been zam I get those 2 mixed up. my bad. And I know.
But many crafters are like " it took me hours/days/weels to level to x lvl, I want to get paid for it" Personally i feel is take what you get. Its not really a luxery. Players do need to get stuff repaired and npcs don't cut it.
I saw someone on ffxivcore say instead of paying gil, just give them the mats needed. OMG the crafters had a field day with that suggestion. They wanted the mats AND gil worth the item. That is stuff I hate.

Most ppl seem to think repairs from a crafter are a luxery when it infact a role of the crafters. Your roles in the game are infact to make and repair gear. And most of your gil should come from selling items then repairing them. Woulds you buy a pc for 500 and pay the repair guy 1000 to repair your pc if it broke.

[TheVedis]

ahh musta been zam I get those 2 mixed up. my bad. And I know.
But many crafters are like " it took me hours/days/weels to level to x lvl, I want to get paid for it" Personally i feel is take what you get. Its not really a luxery. Players do need to get stuff repaired and npcs don't cut it.
I saw someone on ffxivcore say instead of paying gil, just give them the mats needed. OMG the crafters had a field day with that suggestion. They wanted the mats AND gil worth the item. That is stuff I hate.

Most ppl seem to think repairs from a crafter are a luxery when it infact a role of the crafters. Your roles in the game are infact to make and repair gear. And most of your gil should come from selling items then repairing them. Woulds you buy a pc for 500 and pay the repair guy 1000 to repair your pc if it broke.

i was in the big debate zam had about it, i know the types you meant there, but i was kinda on a neutral side.
im a high crafter, hell im one of the most leveled crafters on besaid, but im not in it for profit.

as for offering the material, i personaly also really hate that idea for other reasons.
mainly cuz i consider it repairing for free, or cuz im carrying the mats already, im not trying to collect more of the repair mat

on the other hand....offering 2 of the repair mat i usualy find to be a good practice as far as doing that
and most people who "give" the repair material to me, offer 1k gil for the repair(which is a fair tip regardless of how you look at it since you dont use your own material)

in the end 1 thing i like to always point out to people, it isnt our job to repair your gear, it is a bonus to have a crafter repair your gear. why is it a bonus, because YOU DO NOT NEED us, you can use the repair npc for repairs(yes i know people hate to hear it, but its true).

in the end, we are mostly talking small change, most of us just want to be compensated + a small tip for the service. by small i mean usualy about 1k gil, which is not much no matter how much you look at it. But its those people who believe it is our job to do it, that are a real issue.

It comes down to 1 universal rule in the end, the people who do craft are making it so you do not have to, if you choose not to. Its best to treat them as such, because if they didnt do it for you, who would?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

n the end 1 thing i like to always point out to people, it isnt our job to repair your gear, it is a bonus to have a crafter repair your gear. why is it a bonus, because YOU DO NOT NEED us, you can use the repair npc for repairs(yes i know people hate to hear it, but its true).

no its not : /

what is a role of a whm in ffxi? cure/raise. Or they can use same argument of hping or using a raise item

sorry you do 2 things in the game 1 craft 2 repair. that is your role. Just cuz npc can repair don't make it a luxury. Sorry but that is the real truth. Same can be applied to ffxi with whms. Raising can be got from tabs, items, or even hp. By your logic whm casting raise would be a luxury and should pay them for it as there are alternatives.

[TheVedis]

n the end 1 thing i like to always point out to people, it isnt our job to repair your gear, it is a bonus to have a crafter repair your gear. why is it a bonus, because YOU DO NOT NEED us, you can use the repair npc for repairs(yes i know people hate to hear it, but its true).

no its not : /

what is a role of a whm in ffxi? cure/raise. Or they can use same argument of hping or using a raise item

sorry you do 2 things in the game 1 craft 2 repair. that is your role. Just cuz npc can repair don't make it a luxury. Sorry but that is the real truth. Same can be applied to ffxi with whms. Raising can be got from tabs, items, or even hp. By your logic whm casting raise would be a luxury and should pay them for it as there are alternatives.

i didnt level my craft to repair everyone elses stuff at a cost to me, thats what your saying my job is
to repair everyone for free
im sorry, not buying it

[MightyDan]

i am used to it from other MMO, but one thing i don't appreciate is armor condition decreases just by equipping it. realistically speaking, it make sense. However, it's still the game... as for a repair issue, at first it was annoying. NPC repairs up to 75%... turning on that icon next to your name, well i didn't have too much luck either. So, started to do it by myself by collecting materials... it's passable.