Armor repairing, what do you think about it?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

ahh musta been zam I get those 2 mixed up. my bad. And I know.
But many crafters are like " it took me hours/days/weels to level to x lvl, I want to get paid for it" Personally i feel is take what you get. Its not really a luxery. Players do need to get stuff repaired and npcs don't cut it.
I saw someone on ffxivcore say instead of paying gil, just give them the mats needed. OMG the crafters had a field day with that suggestion. They wanted the mats AND gil worth the item. That is stuff I hate.

Most ppl seem to think repairs from a crafter are a luxery when it infact a role of the crafters. Your roles in the game are infact to make and repair gear. And most of your gil should come from selling items then repairing them. Woulds you buy a pc for 500 and pay the repair guy 1000 to repair your pc if it broke.

[TheVedis]

ahh musta been zam I get those 2 mixed up. my bad. And I know.
But many crafters are like " it took me hours/days/weels to level to x lvl, I want to get paid for it" Personally i feel is take what you get. Its not really a luxery. Players do need to get stuff repaired and npcs don't cut it.
I saw someone on ffxivcore say instead of paying gil, just give them the mats needed. OMG the crafters had a field day with that suggestion. They wanted the mats AND gil worth the item. That is stuff I hate.

Most ppl seem to think repairs from a crafter are a luxery when it infact a role of the crafters. Your roles in the game are infact to make and repair gear. And most of your gil should come from selling items then repairing them. Woulds you buy a pc for 500 and pay the repair guy 1000 to repair your pc if it broke.

i was in the big debate zam had about it, i know the types you meant there, but i was kinda on a neutral side.
im a high crafter, hell im one of the most leveled crafters on besaid, but im not in it for profit.

as for offering the material, i personaly also really hate that idea for other reasons.
mainly cuz i consider it repairing for free, or cuz im carrying the mats already, im not trying to collect more of the repair mat

on the other hand....offering 2 of the repair mat i usualy find to be a good practice as far as doing that
and most people who "give" the repair material to me, offer 1k gil for the repair(which is a fair tip regardless of how you look at it since you dont use your own material)

in the end 1 thing i like to always point out to people, it isnt our job to repair your gear, it is a bonus to have a crafter repair your gear. why is it a bonus, because YOU DO NOT NEED us, you can use the repair npc for repairs(yes i know people hate to hear it, but its true).

in the end, we are mostly talking small change, most of us just want to be compensated + a small tip for the service. by small i mean usualy about 1k gil, which is not much no matter how much you look at it. But its those people who believe it is our job to do it, that are a real issue.

It comes down to 1 universal rule in the end, the people who do craft are making it so you do not have to, if you choose not to. Its best to treat them as such, because if they didnt do it for you, who would?

[Atomsk]

My gear that I cannot repair myself is put in the bazaar for 1k per level range for armor, and 2k per for weapons(ie, 40-50 is 4000 gil for armor, 8000 gil for weapons). I have to wait maybe 5-10 minutes when I need repairs. Why? Because I am not a cheap bastard. Getting my gear repaired costs me ONE leve worth of gil rewards.

People who do otherwise are inconsiderate of what crafters have to deal with to get their crafting higher than 20. Try being an armorer, where to make max level armor, not only do you need armorer at 50, you need weaving, leatherworking, and goldsmithing at 35. Weavers need leatherworking within 5 levels. I haven't played the other crafting classes enough to know what they require for subcrafts.

Point being, if you are one of those people who complains about not having to wait forever to have your gear repaired, maybe you should be rethinking your compensation.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

omg you that flipping person XD i knew i recongized ya. LOL

sorry but like that person said if you give mats crafter saves money on needing to buy more mats, so they infact break even if a person gives mats vs gil. asking for mats +1K is looking for profit. Since they get more mats for free and 1K gil. And again it is your role in game to do repairs. NPC was put in mostly for the fact that ppl needed repairs early in game and why npc only does 75%. Crafters once leveled take over from npc.

Everyone in this game do have community roles.

Dow, dom, dol supply doh mats, doh use mats to make and repair gear for dom dol dow, so dom dow and dol can supply doh with mats.

if all these 3 couldn't get mats how you doh level up? they would need to do it them selves. Its pretty much a community circle.
Like farmer providing cooks with food to cook for everyone else, which gives them money to buy stuff from said other ppl.

Everyone is helps everyone in the end.

[TheVedis]

omg you that flipping person XD i knew i recongized ya. LOL

sorry but like that person said if you give mats crafter saves money on needing to buy more mats, so they infact break even if a person gives mats vs gil. asking for mats +1K is looking for profit. Since they get more mats for free and 1K gil. And again it is your role in game to do repairs. NPC was put in mostly for the fact that ppl needed repairs early in game and why npc only does 75%. Crafters once leveled take over from npc.

Everyone in this game do have community roles.

Dow, dom, dol supply doh mats, doh use mats to make and repair gear for dom dol dow, so dom dow and dol can supply doh with mats.

if all these 3 couldn't get mats how you doh level up? they would need to do it them selves. Its pretty much a community circle.
Like farmer providing cooks with food to cook for everyone else, which gives them money to buy stuff from said other ppl.

Everyone is helps everyone in the end.

theres a breakdown in the circle that always happens though

people who farm the mats want to make money for them
people who buy the mats want to pay as little as possible, but also profit on what they make
people who buy the crafted items want to pay as little as possible(and are a mix of the other 2)

so lets go with buffalo hides as an example

People farm them, and sell them for 20k each
The crafters dont like this price(especialy since the vendor is right around the corner at 24k each) but buy them anyway cuz they need it to make stuff
so they make spetches to repair with, this ends up costing them around 2k each after you count in shards costs
they go back out, to sell what they made, only to find out that people will only pay 1k each for the repairs that those spetches they make use. Whats funny is, they say its a fair price....yet they are the same ones who sold you that leather for their "fair price" of 20k each.
Now a smart crafter also realized that it in fact doesnt cost 2k to make them, you shouldnt make them at all, since a vendor also sells spetches for 1600 each, which is still more of a cost then the 1000 people offer for the repair...

but thats the point im making, the materials we use to make these repair mats cost us money to get.
the farmers are selling them to use at inflated prices usualy(its amazing how much higher some of these prices keep getting, ive seen ALOT of very common materials now being sold, succesfuly, above vendor price, which is really sad in its own right since people are dumb enough to buy them for that).
and then they turn around, and expect you to repair them, for less then what you paid to make the repair material for them, essentialy making them even more of a profit.


im probly going to go out of my way to post a nice price chart for what it costs(on my server at least) like i have in almost every repair thread that appeared on zam so that people can get an idea of what repairs cost to make materialwise. It is really insightful once you understand the actual cost crafters have to endure to repair your items sometimes, and thats not even counting the cost to level the craft in most cases(which is stupid expensive in its own right, but thjats totaly on the crafter imo, leveling isnt about profit)

[Kilta_Firelotus]

honestly you guys don't fully get what I am saying. And I never said free. You guys don't understand what A barter system is.
Money isn't the only payment espcially back in the actual time the game is based off of. PPl used barter system of giving things of equal value.
Like 2 pigs for a cow etc. I find it pointless and silly to use modern analogies in a high fantasy themed game where extrage of Items can take place.

free is no payment. Mats again are a form of that. Since I'm resupplying you of stuff My repair will use. That is again fair in my eyes. Because this is game is not modern day earth. Where money is the only form of payment.

[Atomsk]

honestly you guys don't fully get what I am saying. And I never said free. You guys don't understand what A barter system is.
Money isn't the only payment espcially back in the actual time the game is based off of. PPl used barter system of giving things of equal value.
Like 2 pigs for a cow etc. I find it pointless and silly to use modern analogies in a high fantasy themed game where extrage of Items can take place.

free is no payment. Mats again are a form of that. Since I'm resupplying you of stuff My repair will use. That is again fair in my eyes. Because this is game is not modern day earth. Where money is the only form of payment.

You ignore the time and effort, as well as overall effort to get to that point to where we CAN repair the gear. You may think it is a barter, but you're just cheap.

[TheVedis]

honestly you guys don't fully get what I am saying. And I never said free. You guys don't understand what A barter system is.
Money isn't the only payment espcially back in the actual time the game is based off of. PPl used barter system of giving things of equal value.
Like 2 pigs for a cow etc. I find it pointless and silly to use modern analogies in a high fantasy themed game where extrage of Items can take place.

free is no payment. Mats again are a form of that. Since I'm resupplying you of stuff My repair will use. That is again fair in my eyes. Because this is game is not modern day earth. Where money is the only form of payment.

ah, but in the eyes of the crafter, you are asking for it for free, thats the point
the time it takes us to do said repair, and the fact that we took the effort to level, and you didnt, means that you pay a fee to us to repair it, granted, if you are providing the material, that fee will be rather small, but offering no tip, is still a major insult.
and as ive stated before, most of the time, a crafter wont touch it if it doesnt have gil attached to it. or the fact that if they dont have that material to begin with, you offering it up doesnt help them to repair it at all.


by those same standards that you put forth, i must now ask that you provide me all the mats i need to level my crafts, since thats your job, since it will allow me to repair you later it should be a fair trade right?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

better thing.... its a flipping video game. Not something to take seriously. You guys are kinda taking it too seriously in your demsnds as well. The npc was put in for those who needed repairs as there wasn't anyone to do it till crafters lvled up. Whm in ffxi where not olbigated to raise party members but it was still their role in a party.

How about you take a moment to actually think about what I said instead of being high and mighty about it in you taking a video game to seriously.

Exchanging matieral infact can be payment for repairs. I'm asking you to do a service which is your role in the game. Repairing gear is an ability of crafters, no matter what yall say.

You use materials on my repair and I resupplie you with all materials used. And tips are not infact payment. Tips are not an obligated fee. If you guys want to charge a fee then call it a fee not a tip. And I'm pretty sure crafters do get sp from repairs not a ton and there are sp caps.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Sorry but I'm also instulted by the fact you guys assume its free. Since you don't get the barter system And the time and effort is a failed beyond failed argument. Sorry you played the game the way you wanted don't punish me for your choice. I never ask for stuff for free. But I do feel alternatives to gil are ok. If its end all be all then say you only take gil and not mats. But payment is payment. Just cuz its not gil don;t mean it don;t have value. I spent time hunting for mats to get stuff crafted in ffxi. No crafter asked for gil on top of what I gave them.

Sorry you guys don't see it as payment but it is infact payment.
But then afain why is this even an issue, this isn't real life : / its a video game. No need to be serious.