Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
Read Mae's comment, then read mine, it's a standard expectation of players based on the system and tutorials that are presented to the player. I can't really say anymore because they summed it up perfectly with their experience.

The point I'm trying to get across (because we are devolving into disagreements rather than solutions) is that it is the systems fault for not teaching the player as a sprout (or not forcing it upon the player as an action they must use), rather than the players fault for being unaware of the necessity of the skill. This is actually the better outcome, because you can fix a system, but you cannot fix a playerbase.
I actually did read mae's comment, but as I said earlier in the thread... There is an actual "Using actions from other classes" active help that appears along the way when you are able. The info is there, whether or not you actually read it or skip through it is a choice. How anyone could read the tool tip for provoke and think that instant placement at the top of the hate list isn't useful enough to be needed at some point as a tank is beyond me. Choosing not to go over your available/aquireable skills is also a choice, being impatient and wanting to get straight to endgame is also a choice.

I would wager that even if there was more info somewhere they would still skip over it unless the content was locked for not having the skill in the first place. At that point I would also wager ppl would complain about having to lvl gladiator to 22 for it and still want the cross class system gone.

Wanting the cross class system gone is another issue all together which I still dont think is worth the trouble on SE's part. The average gamer is not a potato.

In FFXI there was actually a hate cap system. You could potentially grab hate from another tank quite easily if needed why don't we just make provoke useless with a cap system so even a potato or someone wanting to go straight to endgame without much knowledge of their class/role can just jump aboard and have at it?