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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    You can clear HoN using only heals. I know because I just did it. So by your definition these players are not bad. HoN is seriously taken out of context.
    I can clear HoN without oGCDs in DRG, whats your point? Would you rather I not use any oGCDs on my DRG in dungeons too cuz thats the minimum required?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonsta View Post
    I can clear HoN without oGCDs in DRG, whats your point? Would you rather I not use any oGCDs on my DRG in dungeons too cuz thats the minimum required?
    The point is right there in what you quoted, but it might help if you actually read the post from the poster I quoted, instead of just mine which you clearly did since you missed the point. Poster stated that players are bad if they can't perform at the HoN level. So I went and cleared it using only heals.

    As for you, as long as your killing stuff and not yourself, you're a-ok in my book. I'm not going to tell you how to play YOUR job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    The point is right there in what you quoted, but it might help if you actually read the post from the poster I quoted, instead of just mine which you clearly did since you missed the point. Poster stated that players are bad if they can't perform at the HoN level. So I went and cleared it using only heals.

    As for you, as long as your killing stuff and not yourself, you're a-ok in my book. I'm not going to tell you how to play YOUR job.
    I'm not sure you understand how bad it is for a DRG to not use any oGCDs but OK let me rephrase. What if I did not use any cooldowns as a tank (including the stance btw)? since thats the bare minimum to pass HoN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonsta View Post
    I'm not sure you understand how bad it is for a DRG to not use any oGCDs but OK let me rephrase. What if I did not use any cooldowns as a tank (including the stance btw)? since thats the bare minimum to pass HoN.
    And I think you are misunderstanding me. Being able to clear HoN only using heals is about as a great a feat as tying my shoes. But not everyone on this planet has an easy time tying their shoes do they? But they still have the right to wear them, would you agree? My point towards that other poster is that HoN is taken out of context. Don't let that counter any previous arguments of mine because it was a direct response to the other poster stating that players are bad if they can't perform at the HoN requirement. But the requirement to pass it is the bare minimum. DPSing in this instance only makes it go faster assuming you keep the tank and DPS NPCs alive, which IS what is required to pass it. They fall, you fail. This VERY same thing translates into most of the content in this game.

    tl;dr HoN is irrelevant in determining player skill, and it is NOT telling healers to DPS. It encourages it. To take things further, despite the game telling you this, HoN gives you very little time to DPS. The incoming dmg in the final instance is actually quite considerable much like it is in the second or third tutorial (can't remember which) which has you constantly healing in order to pass it. HoN by FAR tells your ass to heal first, DPS second more than anything.

    If you look up my lodestone, you will see that I don't even have lancer unlocked. So of course I don't understand how bad it is for DRG to not use oGCDs. I know nothing about your job so I am going to be the last person to tell you how to play it. What I do know is that your role in my party is DPS, and my expectations of you pertain to that role, not your job. I understand that if you optimize your job, you optimize your role in party play. S long as your DMG output is good enough to meet checks, you're attentive to attacking the appropriate target, and generally stay out of AoE (I know we all get hit by it here and there), that is all I require. And i will consider you a good player. But if you do MORE than that. You optimize field position, timed jumps, combo execution and also add a little touch of your own spice to end something brilliant? You're Kain Highwind to me. And I most certainly do not expect everyone to be Kain, but appreciate those who strive to be.

    Bad players to me deliberately eff sh*t up. They go into instances knowing that they can do actually LESS than what is required because they know at least one player will pick up their slack, and carry them through. I mean this is seriously really crappy behaviour. I believe it should be a banable offense. But to label a healer who doesn't DPS this kind of player? The mere thought of it is just so ridiculous to me. smh.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 08-12-2016 at 05:48 PM.