The Future of THM

[Catapult]

Just putting it out there again for people who have forgotten.

By having CNJ unlock Black Mage and THM unlock White Mage, you are offering people a job that serves a different purpose to what they used to unlock it, which is a really handy balancing tool and encourages diversity.

So a conj would have access to healing as conj and damage as black mage.
Thaum would have access to damage as thaum and healing as white mage.
And then the lore of Conjurers are elemental magic and Thaumaturges are religious magic is preserved as well.

And as always, by using the base conjurer or thaumaturge class, you can equip a myriad of skills suitable to a solo player. Thus no one can really read anything into that picture other than the fact that you can now cast from passive mode.

[Coglin]

I sure hope it doesn't work out that way at all. I would hate to level up a class based on what it does, just to be offered a job that does near opposite. its like going to law school to be a truck driver.

Jobs should be an advanced extension of the class.

[SunZhi]

To play devil's advocate a bit...

What if the class turns out to be unrelated to the job?

What if, after completing the job quest, I can "activate" it from any job, thus giving me the unique job abilities but also access to the core abilities of the class that I'm on at the time? Would seem much more like the old subjob concept from FFXI (and honestly, it seems to me that Yoshi is taking a lot of direction from 11) and bridge the gap/end the debate between which class will "unlock" BLM or WHM?

Think on it...

~ Sun

[ereskigal]

I sure hope it doesn't work out that way at all. I would hate to level up a class based on what it does, just to be offered a job that does near opposite. its like going to law school to be a truck driver.

Jobs should be an advanced extension of the class.

same can be said for con some ppl leveled con like they playing blm. noone would think thm would be blm b/c it didn't have elemental nukes.

[Catapult]

Jobs should be an advanced extension of the class.

The devs have it on record that they specifically do not want us to think of it this way. They want us to consider the jobs as battle methods in their own right and simply not "upgraded marauder" or what have you.

Which is further evidence against Conjurer being white mage because "it's the healer".

[Coglin]

Where is this statement you refere to?

I know they said the jobs would be more group defining for a class, and the class itself would be more suited to soloing.

[Catapult]

Great, now I have to go hunting... here we go.

Quoted from http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...form-Blueprint
Posted in the Battle Reform Blueprint by Matsui

Jobs
The job system - that series-defining trademark - will be implemented in FINAL FANTASY XIV (details such as specific jobs TBA). Quests to unlock each job will become available once you have reached a certain rank in the corresponding class.
Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.

In practice, players will find the existing classes effective when playing solo or in certain party setups. Jobs, however, will shine in party situations where specific skill sets are demanded. Now, you didn’t hear this from me, but there are also rumors circulating that quests for obtaining job-exclusive equipment are also in the pipes.
We at the development team are currently hard at work on the job system, and expect to have details to share with you soon.

Thus it is unreasonable to assume that White Mage = upgraded Conjurer.

Granted, it is possible that Conjurer may unlock White Mage, but to assume it will do this simply because Conjurer currently fills the healer's role is missing the entire point of what Matsui is trying to achieve.

[Catapult]

As a personal opinion, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Conjurer LOST access to Curaga etc once White Mage is implemented on the basis that it has been acting simply as a placeholder till the party-play jobs are ready, with these abilities becoming one of those class-specific things.

[Klive]

Where is this statement you refere to?

I know they said the jobs would be more group defining for a class, and the class itself would be more suited to soloing.

I answered that... this thread, pages four and five, posts #34 and #45. It has been posted many times on this thread.

[Coglin]

Well, thats open to interpritation. Highly pressumptious to assume you can state it as fact that its unreasonable to believe conj can't be WHM. Especially they way things seem to change from one update to the next. I guess I just interperet it differently. Honeslty, I plan to level whatever class is bard anyway (I guess archer), as I have enjoyed bard in several other MMOs.

By that process, it would be unreasonable to thing lancer could be dragoon, mrd being warrior, gladiator being paladin. Those all say to me, extension of the class.

Klive, I would like to be the first to congradualte you. had you not cleared that up in post #99 , we don't know how we could go on, thank you for taking the time to make a useless post like #99, way to troll, er, um I mean go.

I am familiar with what was said in that dev post, I wanted to make clear what he refered to there smart guy.