Can't enter raid if anyone has a penalty from Duty Finder

[MihaelB]

That doesn't mean you can inconvenience 3/7 other people because you had to leave due to your raid that you knew about before queuing.

A penalty is a penalty.

Exactly this, a penalty is a penalty.

[Lan_Mantear]

Seems silly to apply this to full groups. It accomplishes nothing beyond being an inconvenience for the other members.

The inconvenience is the whole point of the penalty system. The fault lies with the person in their group who left their previous DF early.

[AxelDH]

That doesn't mean you can inconvenience 3/7 other people because you had to leave due to your raid that you knew about before queuing.

A penalty is a penalty.

A penalty was a penalty before, but it didn't stop you from raiding. And now it does! Now its more like a penalty +1.

Was there a popular demand for an expanded penalty, or was it just an oversight? Are they going to keep sneaking extras on the 'things you can't do with a penalty' list?

And don't forget, not all penalties are as deserved as others. For example, I've seen someone get auto AFK kicked (and therefore given a 30 min penalty) while they were waiting for a disconnected player to return! Is that fair? :/

[Lan_Mantear]

For example, I've seen someone get auto AFK kicked (and therefore given a 30 min penalty) while they were waiting for a disconnected player to return! Is that fair? :/

I don't think you get a penalty from being vote dismissed or logging off in a DF instance. The only time you suffer a penalty is if you leave a full party prematurely. If the party is already missing a member or you have been vote dismissed for whatever reason, you will not receive a penalty.

[Cakekizyy]

A penalty was a penalty before, but it didn't stop you from raiding. And now it does! Now its more like a penalty +1.

Was there a popular demand for an expanded penalty, or was it just an oversight? Are they going to keep sneaking extras on the 'things you can't do with a penalty' list?

And don't forget, not all penalties are as deserved as others. For example, I've seen someone get auto AFK kicked (and therefore given a 30 min penalty) while they were waiting for a disconnected player to return! Is that fair? :/

Not hard to move an inch before getting afk kicked.

[LunaFaye]

A penalty was a penalty before, but it didn't stop you from raiding. And now it does! Now its more like a penalty +1. Was there a popular demand for an expanded penalty, or was it just an oversight? Are they going to keep sneaking extras on the 'things you can't do with a penalty' list?

And don't forget, not all penalties are as deserved as others. For example, I've seen someone get auto AFK kicked (and therefore given a 30 min penalty) while they were waiting for a disconnected player to return! Is that fair? :/

The system gives you a 10 minute warning before kicking you lol. I think SE didn't realize it yet or is unaware of the penalty occurring right after they added raid finder and palace of the dead and therefore it's not yet on their list of fixes. It wasn't planned or we would have seen the patch note mentioning it. Just give it some time.

[SendohJin]

A penalty was a penalty before, but it didn't stop you from raiding. And now it does! Now its more like a penalty +1.

Was there a popular demand for an expanded penalty, or was it just an oversight?/

If anything was an oversight it was that you could raid before with a penalty.

[Brannigan]

They should revert this because raiding is dead enough already without adding this crap on top of it.

[Lan_Mantear]

They should revert this because raiding is dead enough already without adding this crap on top of it.

somehow, i don't think a 30 minute cold down period is going to deter any serious player from raiding. It should just be another thing you plan for.

[FaileExperiment]

Obviously, because Raids are now a part of the DF system, the DF penalty applies. This is probably something they could not work around. Of course, they are likely fine with this. My guess is that will help dissuade people from leaving their DF groups to go to a FC raid. That kind of thing sucks for the affected groups, so I don't see this as a undesired change. My advice would be to simply plan ahead, and just avoid getting the DF penalty in general.