Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW!

[Jynx]

The sad part is most if any arguments detracting from classic open world content stems from the "all mine" argument where no content should exist unless it can be set aside especially for a single player or group.

Nothing is allowed to happen organically if it would somehow impede another in the slightest.

• Failed fates remove certain npc? - What if I can't get that item then.
• Claim able monsters? - Then I can't always kill it.
• Danger in the overworld? - What if I die.
• Limited fast travel? - I can't afford the time.

MMOS have evolved around a growing selfish population of players. Instead of building a world for us to play in they are building a park with rails once you decide to cross the line you find the whole world is cardboard cutouts with no real substance.

[Cakekizyy]

If you want something different , theme park games are not a good place to look.

[Zojha]

MMOS have evolved around a growing selfish population of players.

Primarily, they evolved around an increasingly busy population of players.

Can't access something right away? No issue if you have infinite time, you just wait. Big issue if you have only limited time to play, by the time you get access you have to stop playing already.
Slower travel? No issue if you have infinite time, you just take the walk. Big issue if you only have limited time to play, you actually wanted to do something more than looking at scenery today.
I'll add another: Long queues/party making? No issue if you have infinite time, you can just keep going. Big issue if you only have limited time, by the time the party is made you might not have time for the actual content you made the party for anymore.

Another fun fact: Increasingly less people cook themselves, while fast food and deep frozen food are common as never. It's a general societal trend to cut down on unwanted/unnecessary processes in one's free time, which is correlated with the fact that people have less free time on average. One is downright inclined to wager a causal connection to increasing demands on the job in competitive markets.

[MeiUshu]

Oups!!!!@!@@@@@

[Jynx]

Primarily, they evolved around an increasingly busy population of players.

Can't access something right away? No issue if you have infinite time.

Personally I find long term content and goals as positive things in the game. Not 3ver thing needs to revolve around it of course. He'll even FFXI had billions of ways to do things and rewarded players for specializing in the stuff they found fun.

That's the big crux of the issue I find. XI had tons of really well fleshed out content. It knew it's focus and hammered it. Content wasn't watered down so everyone could do everything.

Even as a more casual player I enjoyed being able to master one thing slowly then branch out as I grew over time. I didn't no life the game hell took me a solid year to hit my first capped job.

[odintius]

Another fun fact: Increasingly less people cook themselves, while fast food and deep frozen food are common as never. It's a general societal trend to cut down on unwanted/unnecessary processes in one's free time, which is correlated with the fact that people have less free time.

Well that isn't always a good thing aither fun fact coupled with low nutritional value, high fat, calorie and sodium content of these foods can lead to a variety health problems with statistical associations to weight gain, obesity, cardiovascular conditions and all cause mortality of eating fast food or process frozen food can be a dangerous thing. Sometimes good old fashion is usually the better option same can be claim for mmo's maybe your in the wrong genre if you dont have the time to play. /shrug to each their own I guess.

I consider myself casual worked etc and found the time to do content in ffxi still I just took my time never needed to rush it I enjoyed it as I went even got sea access without being a hardcore player never ran into this issue of being excluded from it that generally in the hardcore crowd IMO.

[Moomba33]

I really like the convenience of XIV honestly.
To me one of the positives of games is you can get rid of the stuff that isn't fun in real life long travel times.

I guess I can understand the frustration of people who want more depth to be immersed in but I'm enjoying my shallow pond. I like being able to do a little bit of everything whenever I feel like it, whether I'm solo or if my friends are online, whether I have an hour to play or 5, ect. The game just feels really flexable and enjoyable to me.

[Seig345]

I'm fairly sure there were a few threads titled almost exactly the same as this one back during the Alpha/Beta stuff. On top of that, I believe Yoshi-P announced from the start that 2.0 would be designed with the "Theme Park Formula" (aka World of WarCraft's formula) in mind.

Unless they announce Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Re-Reborn, I wouldn't even say "please look forward to it" at this point, you may be looking forward for quite awhile.

[Zojha]

Well that isn't always a good thing aither [...]

Oh, no doubt about that! People also reproduce less and take worse care of their offspring due to stress and a lack of time (and often money). There's burnout galore, these days even as early as high school. Life increasingly becomes about efficiency and performance and that takes its toll in numerous ways. Unfortunately, primarily for the benefit of the most wealthy individuals - 90% of the total produced welfare of a state goes to the top 10-20%. Chances are, if you as workforce become more productive, someone else benefits far, far more from it than you.

Companies however feel no need to change this - their primary purpose is to make money for their shareholders. As such, if there's money to be had with convenience games, those games will be made. That said, it's plain and simply wrong to say "maybe your in the wrong genre if you dont have the time to play" if there are games within that genre that cater to exactly these people, because that fact directly contradicts the statement. It is the right genre for them, as long as they play these specific games catering to them.

[Jynx]

People need to quit with the whole "maybe you should quit" verbal on both sides. It adds nothing to the conversation and in the long run hurts the community.

Just because we don't agree means we should stop discussion.