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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    ...but best guess is that...

    Ul'dah wants to use it to advance Eorzea's Industrial side. Well this is basically Industrialisation.

    Gridania wants to use it to advance the more Medical and Agriculture side. Good for improving farming, medical knowledge for finding non-magical cures for diseases, and prevent any agriculture issues or repair damages from old agriculture issues.

    Limsa wants to use it to advance Military technology side. Better ships, weapons, and vehicles which are great for defending against possible invasion and being well equipped to travel into unknown lands.
    I know this is just guesswork based on headcanon , but I'm curious why you think Ul'dah would be the first to industrialise.

    Ul'dahn economy, for the most part, is based on trade and services, and its most valuable exports are luxury goods (mainly high-quality textiles and precious gems). Ul'dahn intelligentsia, from what I can tell, are mainly working as traders or merchants, or as the clergy of the Nald'Thal church. The alchemists of the city are the city's most likely entrepreneurs but, as a guild, they're part of the Monetarist faction, which is more inclined towards commerce than heavy industry.

    Limsa Lominsa, more pertinently, is home to the realm's foremost metallurgical guilds, and given the extensive shipbuilding industry that already exists, Limsa blacksmiths and armourers are only a small step away from industrialisation. They just need to make the societal and technological leap to mass production and, voila, you'd have a modern industrial state akin to that of Garlemald. Given the presence of arcanists, who are by far the most scientifically driven of Eorzea's mage classes, I'd say that odds of Limsa making that technological leap are better than those of the other city-states.

    As you noted, Lominsans are predisposed towards war. And nothing drives technological progress like warfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf View Post
    I know this is just guesswork based on headcanon , but I'm curious why you think Ul'dah would be the first to industrialise.
    probably because Ul'dah is a plutocracy, and because they can get more money with industrialization. So the most gredy there will likely look into it. As for the Allagan knowledge itself, as I mentioned before, they can also profit off selling the knowledge itself, as already proven by one of her citizens.

    As for the warfare part, they still have to contend with the technologically advanced Garlean Empire, so theres alreay ample oppotunity for both to improve their own tech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf View Post
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    As Mooningstar said industrialisation fits Ul'dah because it will sky rocket economic profits. Ul'dah is a city state that focus more on economic profits which industrialisation effects is partly known for improving at a massive scale due to being able to mass produce products that is used for different services and goods while also introducing new methods to produce expensive goods at a low cost rate for production allowing them to gain even more in profit from those expensive goods.

    Limsa is not really a industrialisation type of City State as it focus more on Military advancements such as the development of Guns to replace bows and arrows, better warships, organized military training, and etc far more than Ul'dah and Gridania.

    Ul'dah's main military, the Brass Blade, is mostly just a private military force for Corporations, being the Syndicate, and are just as corrupt as their Corporate masters. Syndicate only supports the Brass Blade because they need a military force to protect their "High valued" interests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morningstar1337 View Post
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    Well all three certainly benefits them in military improvement as well but with limited Allagan Tech and Knowledge to advance only one method it certainly comes into question where will they want to improve on.

    If we go for Ul'dah industrialisation then more weapons, gears, and supplies can be created thus risk of being low on any type of weapons, vehicles for different method of travel, building materials, and supplies will be reduce greatly. This will also increase the ability to establish more bases and outposts due to having plenty of supply to support these bases and outposts. However, we will only be able to mass produce current technology type things which gives the garlean a advantage in military technology and medical technology along with better understanding of terrains.

    If we go for Gridania medical and agriculture then we can have better knowledge of terrains and medical knowledge thus a better understanding for mobilizing units through different types of lands and soldiers will not need to depend on Healing magic as much as before due to now gaining better access to non-magical medicine for any injuries and diseases. However, the ability to mass produce these non-magical cures and Eorzea's military technology won't be as advance as the Garlean Empire.

    If we go Limsa then we will get better military technology to combat any invaders and if we enter unknown territory we have better technology weapons to fight any unknown threats along with better vehicles and ships will help greatly for long distance travel as well. However, the garleans will have a advantage over being able to mass produce supplies and materials to create their stuff better and better knowledge over medical technology and terrain.
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    Last edited by EdwinLi; 08-05-2016 at 02:36 AM.

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    The first to industrialise would be Ishgard. A resource constrained region with religious tumult fits the bill.

    Ul'dah is a mercantile nation. It is the Spain or Portugal of Eorzea. Those on top preserve their interests by stifling disruptive change. Have you forgotten 2.55?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toranja View Post
    The first to industrialise would be Ishgard. A resource constrained region with religious tumult fits the bill.

    Ul'dah is a mercantile nation. It is the Spain or Portugal of Eorzea. Those on top preserve their interests by stifling disruptive change. Have you forgotten 2.55?
    There is some support with Skysteel...but I don't think they have much of a stake in this (yet,) because they have other priorities than Allagan relics and are still lacking a Grand Company.
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