1 Materia makes any crafted item better than any NM/Raid/Dungeon item. Why?

[Buddhsie]

I can't believe i spent 5 minutes of my life reading that pile of crap. Can I have my time back, please?

[Frein]

I can't believe i spent 5 minutes of my life reading that pile of crap. Can I have my time back, please?

You mean that awesome rant by Alex? That rant that combined all our gripes into one smoldering post? I rather enjoyed it.

[Buddhsie]

Ya that one, the one that the majority of the people playing ffxiv will find subjective and biased. Hemad, obviously.

[Frein]

Ya that one, the one that the majority of the people playing ffxiv will find subjective and biased. Hemad, obviously.

How was it subjective? Everything he described is in the game right now. It's not just his subjective opinion that common crafted gear blows raid gear away. It's also not his subjective opinion that he's leveling his crafts with an infinite loop macro.

[Buddhsie]

It is his subjective opinion that effort put into obtaining certain gear is not worth what it rewards. It is also wrong to assume that everybody cheats. It's obvious to me he's just ranting cause he's mad. I mean, what armour did they add in this patch from raids? The sipahi gear? It looks pretty good to me. Certain pieces such as head, waist, feet, legs, body can only have particular materia attached to them, and in some cases there are unique/untradable options that are better, and I for sure see them implementing such items in the future.

I would appreciate that someone did not comment on something as trivial as an incomplete update, in which materia was added, yet the gear that was to be comparable was scarcely, if at all, added. The game is not finished updating, and many long term plans are still in the works. I appreciate the rant, however it's premature, nice try tho. I suspect just a little mad about not capitalising on stupid people blowing money after the update by not having a gatherer or crafter leveled? Who knows.

[Frein]

It is his subjective opinion that effort put into obtaining certain gear is not worth what it rewards. It is also wrong to assume that everybody cheats. It's obvious to me he's just ranting cause he's mad. I mean, what armour did they add in this patch from raids? The sipahi gear? It looks pretty good to me. Certain pieces such as head, waist, feet, legs, body can only have particular materia attached to them, and in some cases there are unique/untradable options that are better, and I for sure see them implementing such items in the future.

Here's the new R/EX Sentinel's Cuirass: http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8030112/sentinels-cuirass

Here's Cobalt Cuirass (Red): http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8030114/cobalt-cuirass-red

Which do you think is easier to get and which is better? Obviously the Cobalt Cuirass, despite being only a L49 piece, is not only dirt cheap to make, it's also clearly better even without materia.

Then let's look at Darkhold gear:

Here's Solid Scale Mail: http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8031608/solid-scale-mail

Here's Cobalt Haubergeon (Red): http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8031723...haubergeon-red

The haubergeon clearly comes ahead in terms of offense, though the extra HP on the mail adds some extra survivability. But what happens when you plop pretty much any materia into the haubergeon? That's right, it becomes clearly superior. Now which do you think is easier to get? The haubergeon made of cheap and common materials or the mail that requires you to beat a dungeon most people still haven't cleared once?

I could do this all day long because there pretty much are no R/EX items worth wearing at 50.

[NoctisUmbra]

Um.. wait.. removed my credibility? I'm sorry Mr. interweb forum WWWizardd, I didn't know my posts needed to be reviewed by you to ensure credibility. Damn, what was I thinking?

On a serious note.. Crafting gear and spirit bonding is NOT hard at all.. It's all just a grind with low success rates on materia enhancement. You can make an M3 piece of gear in ~2 days if you focused solely on that and none of what you have to do is hard, just time consuming.

Are you saying that you agree with Raid gear being completely useless? Ifrit weapons are one thing, and even those are surpassed by M2/3 gear (much easier to get, mind you). ALL other r/ex gear in the game is now useless compared to M1 gear, even the new Sipahi gear.

So before you pass judgment on someone's credibility (lol), know wtf you're talking about.

And btw, if you were smart you would know that I meant turbo crafting gear, not f'n materia. That sentence alone removed your credibility.

Oh, actually no it doesn't take Mr. interwed forum WWWizardd to dismiss your approach. It takes someone who actually has been participating in materia craft since patch night. You know, how people have been trying to kill Ifrit since patch night?
Still not even close to having a solid set of materia enhanced gear. At this point, as an LS we're aiming for only 1 materia per slot too.

The problem here is your utter lack of appreciation for materia-craft. You come off as someone who hasn't participated in making materia, gathering a catalyst, or melding materia onto a weapon/armor. Correct me if I'm wrong there. Really doubt I am though, as someone who had wouldn't be running around saying gear with 3 materia should pale in comparison to raid gear.

M2/M3 gear is not easier to get than Ifrit weapons, unless you enhance your weapon with 2-3 tier 1 materias. Even that is rather tough due to low success, but such a weapon wouldn't surpass Ifrit weapons anyway. Do your research.

The raid gear is far from useless. They often have effects on them per slot that no materia can fit on. As an example, I believe the Sipahi Turban has a -enmity effect, whereas -enmity materia can only be affixed to DoM weapons or a belt. One can tell from this that in order to maximize a certain desired effect one may need to mix and match raid gear with materia enhanced crafted gear.

I do know what I'm talking about, Meowie. Do you?

Also, go back and read your post. Why in heaven's name you would want to compare turbo crafting/grinding gear to raiding dungeons is beyond me. Here I thought this discussion was about acquiring materia-enhanced gear vs raid gear. Really, I normally avoid being so confrontational, but the sheer lack of knowledge on your part regarding the amount of time and luck it takes to get materia enhanced gear, especially M2+.... I just couldn't resist to call it out.


That all being said, after giving it some thought I do believe the game could be even more fun if U/U gear could be materia-enhanced - however only materia enhanced and not forbidden. Essentially allow raid gear to host 1 materia, whereas crafted gear can potentially still hold 5. Anyone who manages to get 5 materias onto a single item anyway should not need to switch to anything else for a looooooooong time.

[Medura]

Someone here is the dumbest troll ive ever seen.. Its fun to point and laugh at him! 6 materia in first try? be my guest! :P it is a less than 2% chance to add 3 materia.

[Aenarion]

Holy wall-o-text-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-what-I-said

You guys can go on ahead arguing about the whole materia vs. raid gear for eternity for all I care, I couldn't care less either way, as I actually do both crafting AND raiding.

Yes, what a surprise, I actually participate in different aspects of the game!!!

My one and only gripe is with your "beloved leader" and his claim that half of all crafters are cheating bots, so unless you actually have something to add to that conversation, leave me out of it.

Well thats my long rant. Shouldnt have insulted my leader either, and yes thats to the guy im quoting. Cuz he is usually right. Hes almost as ancient as I am :P You might learn better kid if you read from those with more experience. Him nor anyone has to read what YOU say. You should be reading from us old guys.

your leader insulted himself with his lack of intelligent posting. Also, way to go with the ad hominem, I'm sure you know just exactly how old I am and my life experiences, or maybe you just pulled that out of the same place your beloved leader pulled out his half-of-all-crafters-bot statement.

[Frein]

Also, go back and read your post. Why in heaven's name you would want to compare turbo crafting/grinding gear to raiding dungeons is beyond me. Here I thought this discussion was about acquiring materia-enhanced gear vs raid gear. Really, I normally avoid being so confrontational, but the sheer lack of knowledge on your part regarding the amount of time and luck it takes to get materia enhanced gear, especially M2+.... I just couldn't resist to call it out.

I bolded the relevant parts. Who cares about time and luck? They have nothing to do with difficulty. I can get around both time and luck by buying a few dozen billion gil from RMT and buying all that stuff from the wards. That's how hard it is.