We love Yoshi

[Jynx]

Not when the statement is intended as a show of support and solidarity. The truth of the matter is criticism here both relies upon and gives way to hyperbole far too often.

I really feel that if anything your the one being a bit hyperbolic looking at the front page out of what like 30 possible threads on the front page I see like...5? that I could point out as having blatantly negative clickbaity titles.

The rest of them are fairly positive discussion about showing off your characters or feedback that isn't toxic about game systems. I personally feel there are a very vocal few who get a bit too tightly wound when people come off as negative about the game. I get it they are invested but if they want to take part in proper discussion they need to be as level headed as they expect the opposition to be. I find both sides to (Like everything) have people who are a bit too extreme on each end of the spectrum but that's just human nature and complaining about it is pointless.

[Hyrist]

I really feel that if anything your the one being a bit hyperbolic looking at the front page out of what like 30 possible threads on the front page I see like...5? that I could point out as having blatantly negative clickbaity titles.

The rest of them are fairly positive discussion about showing off your characters or feedback that isn't toxic about game systems. I personally feel there are a very vocal few who get a bit too tightly wound when people come off as negative about the game. I get it they are invested but if they want to take part in proper discussion they need to be as level headed as they expect the opposition to be. I find both sides to (Like everything) have people who are a bit too extreme on each end of the spectrum but that's just human nature and complaining about it is pointless.

... I think you don't understand that idea of Hyperbole.

"Far too often" is a factor indicating opinion, not listing as a fact, not engaging in hyperbole.(By contrast, an example of Hyperbole would be: "Every thread on these boards is hyperbolic!") Even five out of thirty is a fairly high percentage of hyperbole. That's two short of a flat 20%. (It's %16.6r). And while, yes, while both sides are vulnerable, I would wager that if you were to compare the two, you know which would be more guilty of such a thing. In my experience such 'positive' hyperbolic threads tend to be reactionary to to the negative ones.

Now, keep in context, not long ago I expressed my woes about the state of video game forums in general, in particularly these 'official' forums which seem to hold the highest vitriol, often under the guise of 'feedback'. By my experience I've found that more heavily moderated forums are far more effective in both terms of feedback and terms of an overall positive environment than light or quiet moderation. (However, I'm not sitting on the metric numbers.)

But no, a statement of opinion isn't hyperbole, it can CONTAIN hyperbole - but the listed accusation of such falls short of the mark. Five out of Thirty meets my opinion of, 'far too much' especially when were're just considering thread titles and not posts within them as well. You're free to disagree, but you're not going to make any headway with me as far as convincing me otherwise. The way the vocal players act upon boards such as these has a direct and profound negative impact on my enjoyment on the game as such I am far more critical of them than those who dismiss such things as noise.

[WinterLuna]

Those with such criticism however should not be immune to having their points of contention critiqued.

Neither should the positive ones.

I criticised this thread because it was quite clearly a shot at the other Yoshi thread with one statement, regardless of whether the OP was genuine to express their love for Yoshi. This is obvious and undeniable.

Yet, the people defending that one statement are the same people who will read the title of a negative thread and spout about how the creators of said threads hate SE and that they should quit and how unappreciative they are of the devs work.

No, a long thread doesn't mean a thread is informative or valid, but I know for a fact some people will read the first line of a negative thread and jump to conclusions purely because it's not positive.

The OP edited the thread anyway, I have no problem with it. Again, it's just the hypocrisy of some people. One rule for one thing, a different for another.

[CelestePinke]

To WinterLuna

I am unsure if you read entire thread, but I replied to someone that this thread is merely to show my appreciation. I cannot control what other players choose to post or think. Nor was this some contest (as that's how I took your comment.) I don't personally know the player of the other post nor do I have a desire to start issues on this game or with another player on my home server. If that's not what you meant then I apologize. Please note that I do not post often and most times I merely read and sometimes click like. I spend more time playing this game than reading the forums.

[WinterLuna]

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Don't worry, I'm not implying you were trying to cause trouble, only that the thread was in relation to the other. I apologise if I came across rude or anything. My original comment was just that the original thread you created (a few sentences) could have been posted into the other Yoshi thread.

The rest of my comments were more about people defending the thread who also complain so much on negatives, I wasn't trying to dig at your thread personally with those comments, apologies

[Hyrist]

WinterLuna:

My question is, while you are critical those who are critical of the community (complainers complaining about complainers complaining) where do you suppose the impasse can be resolved?

In my opinion, posting threads that are inherently negative towards the developer/company/game tends to be both harmful to the community and ineffective as feedback. We often seen the more respectful threads replied to, one way or another. We often see feedback that is set respectfully see results as well.

So when someone is critical of a negative thread, or a negative post, I do feel that there is merit to the practice. Not that I feel that feedback in general should be squashed - but that it should be tempered with the same level of professionalism we are to expect from the company providing us a service.

But note, I count 'negative' as both those cutting down the company, and other players, regardless of their opinion.

I do think it's a fair practice to be critical of the community. In fact, if we were to listen to each other like we expect the developers to listen to us - it would likely be far more productive and immediate. It's almost hypocritical that we expect our words to be heard by the developer and acted upon while remaining deaf to our own comrades - for often the best solution for the developer lies within a compromise between our respective opinions, and the more we reach consensus, the more palpable our requests become.

[WinterLuna]

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I'm not against criticism. I'm against people criticising one thing for specific reasons but won't criticise another, simply because one thing is to their taste and the other isn't.

It's the hypocrisy I'm against. Not the criticism itself.

Also, I don't see how a negative thread is harmful to anything, providing it's constructive. Feedback is feedback. A thread can be both negative and very respectful.

[Snugglebutt]

My original comment was just that the original thread you created (a few sentences) could have been posted into the other Yoshi thread.

If I was the OP I would not want to put this threads content in the other ridiculous thread either. Especially since all that would do is get the sentiment behind this one swallowed up while keeping the stupidity of that other threads suggestion going.

The sentiment expressed in this one has vastly more likes than the sentiment in the other and putting this threads initial statement into that one would be like attaching a rope with a rock to it's ankle and tossing it into a tar pit of negativity where it would sink to the bottom. I am perfectly happy with this one being outside that other negative and quite frankly insulting one as a counter balance to the amount of hate threads popping up of late. If you do not like the existence of a thread like this which has a positive sentiment expressed within it as the primary initial post, well that's just too damn bad for you.

Also, I don't see how a negative thread is harmful to anything, providing it's constructive. Feedback is feedback. A thread can be both negative and very respectful.

If you think that other threads original comment to which the thread was created to express is respectful towards Yoshi, you are very wrong. The position of that threads creator is to remove Yoshi from his position against his will. They made that blatantly clear in their initial post. They are merely trying to gain support for doing so by posing it as a question and using poor justifications and excuses to back it up. It would be the perfect troll thread if the OP only wanted to cause trouble because it is insulting. Also as shown by the difference in likes between this one vs that one plus even inside that one those against the OP's suggestion all of which have vastly more likes in general than the OP's actual suggestion, it is a highly unpopular suggestion.

[NovaLevossida]

I think it's worth a moment to pause and consider caution with a thread like this. Lots of companies try to put forth a person as the face of a company so that customers become emotionally attached to that person. Apple had its Jobs, Nintendo had its Iwata, and XIV has its YoshiP. As you make your threads talking about how much you "love" him, keep in mind that he's in charge of a product and service attached to said product, and unconditional love toward him free of criticism is doing you and the rest of us no favors as customers.

[Jynx]

The way the vocal players act upon boards such as these has a direct and profound negative impact on my enjoyment on the game as such I am far more critical of them than those who dismiss such things as noise.

So asides from your feeling all your doing is stating your feelings.

You acuse people of blowing things out of proportion and do so yourself and then defend yourself for doing it. I guess I am free to disagree with you on that.

I'm not saying I'm for the ultra negative feedback I find it counterproductive to be honest but people are free to express their opinions and as someone who doesn't like such content I don't post in the threads because I would be doing the exact oposite of what I want. The goal is to see these kinds of threads get little feedback due to their lack of any real discussion but they often tend to linger because of people who get riled up at the mere thought of someone posting negative feedback on the game and then perpetuate the very thing they want to get rid of.

I don't think it's our place to play forum police the developers are big boys and can sift through the data as they see fit. They have repeatedly stated that even negative feedback is welcome on the forums as long as people are civil. Both of those points are for them to enforce and not us as posters.

but hey you are free to post as you see fit whether I feel it's counterproductive or not.