We love Yoshi

[Remus]

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Sorry but just saying "We love Yoshi-p" is useless and shouldn't need a topic for it. If perhaps they made it into a topic talking about the positives and why they like Yoshi-p and what he did for the game it would be a different story but its not.

It's just a thread created to counter another thread which didn't need to be made in the first place at least that other topic has reasons for why they think that and you can be against it but the OP of the other thread put that their opinion of why they believe perhaps he should step down. I'm not being a hater or anything for those that do like Yoshi-p but there is a difference between positive feedback of something you like and just blind fanboysim.

[Khemorex]

love u Yoshi! Thank You for your hard work! Thank You for making FFXIV what it is now!

/wave

[Snugglebutt]

Sorry but just saying "We love Yoshi-p" is useless and shouldn't need a topic for it. If perhaps they made it into a topic talking about the positives and why they like Yoshi-p and what he did for the game it would be a different story but its not.

You think this thread does not need to exist? I disagree. Also when you talk to your gf/bf and say "I love you", do you also feel like you have to say "...because of x, y or z" or else say nothing at all? Do you think just saying "I love you" to them is useless too and therefore refrain from telling them? It is perfectly fine to occasionally show appreciation or say nice things without having to explain in detail why.

Will the comment by the OP change the game in some way either positively or negatively? Probably not because they have not made yet another complaint thread whining about some specific aspect of the game in it, but that doesn't mean is shouldn't be said once in a while. Both myself, the OP and the other 30 people (so far) who have liked the original comment in this thread agree with what was said and to us it as meaning, it is relevant and it is worth saying.

[KitingGenbu]

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Lol think you're going a little far there comparing saying I love you to someone who works in an industry versus saying it to an s/o. The OP made this thread because there was a thread questioning if Yoshida should step down from game lead. It wasn't even negative, just gathering people's thoughts, but the white knights in their blinded glory think people are attacking him if they even so much as question his position.

[Greedalox]

but the white knights in their blinded glory think people are attacking him if they even so much as question his position.

How you ever found it silly that there's no proper way to defend something online anymore? If you do, it's white knighting, even if you actually agree. It's this kind of remark that's not necessary. It blocks discussion because discussion can never be more than IM RIGHT vs WHITE KNIGHTS.

[CelestePinke]

So I have read everyone's comments so far.
Yes I would like to show my appreciation for Yoshi and his team.
This is not meaningless.
Pray, forgive me for not being negative.

[Shurrikhan]

How you ever found it silly that there's no proper way to defend something online anymore? If you do, it's white knighting, even if you actually agree. It's this kind of remark that's not necessary. It blocks discussion because discussion can never be more than IM RIGHT vs WHITE KNIGHTS.

The proper way to defend something is the same way as always. Show that something was exclusively the best out of its group of possibilities. In this case, that'd take defending what Yoshida's decisions as compared to their alternatives (not all of which will be known or even imaginable, in which case you're dealing with your audience's assumptions apart from however far you can curtail constrict those assumptions), not the man himself for having simply done a lot; deeds, especially by one person within a group, rather than his or her exclusive choices, can almost always be attributed elsewhere — in this case to his staff or the conditions under which he took leadership.

Nothing's changed. Proper argument is as its always been.

Considering that outside the technical realm - how well something performs that can be objectively measured, such as frames per second consistency - the "best" almost entirely falls in the realm of subjective judgment?

Good freakin luck meeting that criteria.

Which is why shit breaks down. But that's not to say that it's impossible. It's just more difficult, and tries the often already shortened patience of those involved. Partly because it means knowing the broader implications of one's own opinion.

When something's subjective, the measures become the elements that inform the subjective opinion, right? You make your own criteria. That doesn't mean that those components can't be broken down further, measured from prominence, etc. "I like it because of this, this, this, and this, where this bit is this important to me, and that bit is that important to me." You find the criteria, turn them as well as you can into something with less personal or unique implications (into basics), and then check the thing in question against it. How do we argue the merits of literature, music, or any 'contribution' in general? (My best answer: often not well, but usually trying for the above.)

However, given how beneficial that would be in the first place for a community trying to get what it wants, it's hardly a wasted activity.

[KitingGenbu]

How you ever found it silly that there's no proper way to defend something online anymore? If you do, it's white knighting, even if you actually agree. It's this kind of remark that's not necessary. It blocks discussion because discussion can never be more than IM RIGHT vs WHITE KNIGHTS.

Would've been nice if you quoted the whole sentence and not part of it. I said that the thread being discussed was not saying anything negative; however, people assumed that since the thread was brought up that people shouldn't question if he fit for the job or not. But thank you for proving my point of white knights. Trying to pass off only part of things and not all of it.

[Berethos]

Show that something was exclusively the best out of its group of possibilities.

Considering that outside the technical realm - how well something performs that can be objectively measured, such as frames per second consistency - the "best" almost entirely falls in the realm of subjective judgment?

Good freakin luck meeting that criteria.

[Snugglebutt]

Would've been nice if you quoted the whole sentence and not part of it. I said that the thread being discussed was not saying anything negative; however, people assumed that since the thread was brought up that people shouldn't question if he fit for the job or not. But thank you for proving my point of white knights. Trying to pass off only part of things and not all of it.

What is apparent is you might not understand what the word 'negative' means, either that or you have not read the other thread. The OP of the other thread specifically says Yoshi should lose his job and be replaced just because that OP is a little butt hurt over some of the recent additions to the game. They are being self-entitled, ignorant and quite frankly ridiculous.