1 Materia makes any crafted item better than any NM/Raid/Dungeon item. Why?

[Frein]

Oh, I don't deny that there are bots out there, but YOU are the one claiming that half of ALLcrafters are botters, so where's your f-ing proof? Also, you may want to rank up on your search skill there, there are most certainly combat/claim bots, I've seen them working since the first weeks of collector's release, a bunch of people claiming hoverflies in cassieopeia.

Where's your proof that half of all L50 crafters haven't used bots? Obviously I can't give you any statistics or anything. And sure, there are bots that can stand in one spot, tab around for targets and auto-attack them down. That's pretty much all they can do, however.

and stop trying to backtrack, You basically said that crafting needs to be neutered because it can be botted, then by the same logic gathering and normal combat also needs to be neutered because they too can be botted amirite?

and no Frein, not everyone hates crafting, but it certainly shows where your bias lies.

I never said they need to be neutered. I essentially said that crafting should not define end game because doing it doesn't require participation in end game activities. And yes, I do think normal combat should be neutered so that you can't simply grind your way into the best [insert whatever] in the game.

Anyways, is it fair that crafted gear should always be worse than the 'raid' gear? That makes the crafter, which is its own CLASS, a little less worth while. Why shouldn't a craft be able to put hard work and effort into making wonderful weapons with materia. Heck, I'm leveling my goldsmith just so I can have the pride of making my own super weapon.

That's fine as long as the materials for your super weapon come from difficult content like raids and aren't simply a result of time invested in robot tasks.

[grandm]

Where's your proof that half of all L50 crafters haven't used bots? Obviously I can't give you any statistics or anything. And sure, there are bots that can stand in one spot, tab around for targets and auto-attack them down. That's pretty much all they can do, however.


I never said they need to be neutered. I essentially said that crafting should not define end game because doing it doesn't require participation in end game activities. And yes, I do think normal combat should be neutered so that you can't simply grind your way into the best [insert whatever] in the game.


That's fine as long as the materials for your super weapon come from difficult content like raids and aren't simply a result of time invested in robot tasks.

^^ i like raiding, and i think us raiders should get the best things in the game. i don't want to share the good stuff with the players that don't like to raid.

oops mummy i just dropped my dummy :P

[Aenarion]

Where's your proof that half of all L50 crafters haven't used bots? Obviously I can't give you any statistics or anything. And sure, there are bots that can stand in one spot, tab around for targets and auto-attack them down. That's pretty much all they can do, however.

Oh my, you don't think before you post do you? the burden of proof lies with the one making the statement - it is up to you to back up what you're claiming, not me to disprove what you said. It's doubly hilarious when you flat out admitted that you don't even have anything that can back up your claim. It'd be like me claiming that aliens lived on Mars, with nothing to back up the statement - should I be considered right until you can disprove my statement?

and yes, more back-peddling please, I'm not the one who made the statement "There are no combat bots" here.