"Who, WHAT are you?" *main story spoilers*

[Kallera]

See, I was close. Blahface, Blanhaerz.

I'm still not sure if I should be terrified or laughing at that faced he made.

I was laughing. He's like "YOLO" given roegadyn form.

And a Valley girl accent.

[Tenkuu]

beacuse it is offtopic

The original topic of the thread related to the archobishop's last moments, and if there is any sing of dark on the WoL.
Not about who has the right on japanise or english. Just ended and move on.

Doesnt matter who actors of what contruies reperesents their characters better, they all do a good job, thats why they pay them, also everyone has the right to choose whatever languaje they want. Both meanings will be the same, just a slight difference of words

There is no such thing as "off topic" in a forum that is meant for discussion. This is the simple and natural flow of conversation. All you're doing by making comments such as that one is interrupting the flow for no reason other than to insert negativity. As I mentioned to Cilia before, negativity is not welcome here. Now, if you have nothing more to contribute to the conversation that is taking place in this thread at this moment, kindly remove yourself from the equation and move on to another topic. There is only so much that can be said about a dead character, and no one is interested in pursuing it anymore. Also, both this post of yours that I'm replying to right now and the other one will be reported. You need to stop taking out your personal grudges on forum threads.

I woould recomend you to read the hole thing, beacuse it was not.
Well if someone is accused of a very serious thing, and ppl tend to support this when it was just a misundetood that ended being a personal fight. Of course im going to suport the one taht is accused, that and to try to stop a conflicct on peacefull thread were we are all here to share our things about the game's story, before any moderator tries to close the thread for rage and toxic chat.

But is okay, maybe i should have handle things differentand try to exagerate less, doesnt matter. It seems that if ppl gets involve into a personal matter is even more atacked by orders, next time im not gonna even try to involve.

What I said to tenkuu wasnt an order lol, was just asking. The topic she and cilia were discussing way went to far and it really didnt make sence at this point.
If they want to continue, they have all the right to do it.

I really dont have more to say about this.

Whatever you or Cilia may have to say about anything, we're all just players of the game who happen to be really interested in the lore of the game. The ones who tend to lay into people with personal attacks are those like you and Cilia, not me, so don't be mistaken there. However, in this thread Cilia was being pretty civilized so it was literally just a normal discussion with a difference of opinions. As anyone else, in fact as you clearly should have long ago, she can choose to move on from a thread once it no longer interests her. It happens to me, her and everyone.

As far as rights go, you have none where my discussions with other people are concerned. Are we clear on that? As I told Cilia, either you leave personal attacks at the door and behave like an adult, or you just stay out of a conversation if you can contribute nothing to it.

As opinions go, I don't care what yours is. I'm far beyond caring what someone as passive-aggressive as you has to say about anything. I prefer the Japanese version and I'm not ashamed of it. And yes, I think it's a thousand times better than the English version, and I've backed up that opinion with valid arguments multiple times.

The only thing that's not making sense right now is your continued presence in this thread. If you have nothing to say, then say nothing. It's that simple. If you do have a valid point to make, then make it without personal attacks. Either way, since your posts have been nothing but attacks, I'm reporting them all as of the moment you posted that pointless attempt at interrupting the discussion. We will talk about whatever we wish, and you will stop interrupting other people's discussions.

[Tenkuu]

I don't think this tallies up with the existence of Crystals of Light from previous eras, namely, Matoya's own crystal. Those Crystals are noted to be vastly superior to the ones we have in both power and use. If the crystals are truly linked to Hydaelyn in such a manner as you describe, Matoya's Crystal should only be as strong as our own, not far, far, far stronger as it is. If Hydaelyn's weakening causes the power of the Crystals to weaken, I imagine Matoya would be aware her crystal has lost power over the years, as Hydaelyn has been doing.

Well, let me put this another way: do you think the Crystals of Light would still exist if there were no more Hydaelyn? Basically, that's why I think of the Crystals of Light as mere conduits. Or if you want to put it another way, maybe charged batteries would be a better metaphor for them. And on the subject of Matoya's Crystal, we know that it's stronger because it comes from a previous Era, but who's to say how much of its "battery" has been used up? In fact, how much of its power did Krile use in locating Thancred's aetherial signature? Maybe the enemies from previous Eras were not so threatening as to require so much of Hydaelyn's power to be used through her Crystals, which would certainly explain why she's weaker than ever now. Not to mention the fact that the Crystals we were granted, while small, were not exactly weak.

The only even remote parallel I can draw is to D.Gray-Man, where all Innocences can exist because the one special one's existence, and if that one were to be destroyed, they all would be. At least, this is what the Crystals of Light and their relation to Hydaelyn remind me of. They are created by her, so could not exist without her. Sorry for deviating slightly off-topic of FFXIV.

[Frederick22]

There is no such thing as "off topic" in a forum that is meant for discussion. This is the simple and natural flow of conversation. All you're doing by making comments such as that one is interrupting the flow for no reason other than to insert negativity. As I mentioned to Cilia before, negativity is not welcome here. Now, if you have nothing more to contribute to the conversation that is taking place in this thread at this moment, kindly remove yourself from the equation and move on to another topic. There is only so much that can be said about a dead character, and no one is interested in pursuing it anymore. Also, both this post of yours that I'm replying to right now and the other one will be reported. You need to stop taking out your personal grudges on forum threads.

Whatever you or Cilia may have to say about anything, we're all just players of the game who happen to be really interested in the lore of the game. The ones who tend to lay into people with personal attacks are those like you and Cilia, not me, so don't be mistaken there. However, in this thread Cilia was being pretty civilized so it was literally just a normal discussion with a difference of opinions. As anyone else, in fact as you clearly should have long ago, she can choose to move on from a thread once it no longer interests her. It happens to me, her and everyone.

As far as rights go, you have none where my discussions with other people are concerned. Are we clear on that? As I told Cilia, either you leave personal attacks at the door and behave like an adult, or you just stay out of a conversation if you can contribute nothing to it.

As opinions go, I don't care what yours is. I'm far beyond caring what someone as passive-aggressive as you has to say about anything. I prefer the Japanese version and I'm not ashamed of it. And yes, I think it's a thousand times better than the English version, and I've backed up that opinion with valid arguments multiple times.

The only thing that's not making sense right now is your continued presence in this thread. If you have nothing to say, then say nothing. It's that simple. If you do have a valid point to make, then make it without personal attacks. Either way, since your posts have been nothing but attacks, I'm reporting them all as of the moment you posted that pointless attempt at interrupting the discussion. We will talk about whatever we wish, and you will stop interrupting other people's discussions.

You couldnt better say it yourself, you have the right so say what you like and so I am ( respecting the rules on the forum of course ).
I cannot stop if you dont either, despite I said that im stoping but well..

Everyone seems to do it. Also is not "interrrupt" is give an opinion, everyones does it. On this thread and on the orders, ppl tend to enter to a discussion and express then opinions. What would be the point of doing this threads if ppl can get on the disccusions of orthers? ifact what happened here and on orther threads, all started with people "interrupting". The diferece was of course that is was already a personal and hatred fight based on a misundertood. Some people tend to support the victim, I tend to suport the accuser, and that was my mistake, that and I also seem that I have loosed my patience, but yes thats not an excuse.

But well tend people lose patience, here and on general forums. It happened a lot, I'm not the first and I will not be the last, some people of course tend to hold it much better then me.
I could have handle things different, but what is done is done. I admit I exagetare and I apologise.
What I did here was just to ask you gently to end the discussion, since it was not going anywhere, but of course you have the right to keep going.

Hope you understand now ( you and orthers ). Have you good day.

Pretending to be civil doesn't mean actually being civil, and you're the perfect proof of that. You have also been told by Berethos that this isn't the first time you did something like this, and I obviously also know it firsthand. There is no such thing as "I can't stop because you don't stop". You're the one who started attacking this thread, so you're the one who has to stop, period!

No, you did not give your opinion. You tried to "order" us to stop a discussion because you deemed it "off-topic" when it was not. Others have told you the same thing before I even said a word on the topic.

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense, btw. Everyone has the right to contribute to a conversation, but no one has the right to interrupt a conversation just because they feel it should be going a certain way. It's rude, stupid, selfish, and most and worst of all, arrogant. Again, if you can contribute nothing to a conversation, say nothing.

There are no "victims" or "accusers", there are merely people who sometimes lose their cool but mostly keep it, most of the time. Please don't think that Cilia having some kind of reputation on the forum means anything at all to me. What means something to me is what I hear her saying, both to me and to others, and the way that she says it. This is exactly why we rub each other the wrong way sometimes and have more civilized discussions other times. Either way, what's between two people doesn't concern you at all. You're just the third wheel in cases like these.

And for the love of all that is holy, man, learn how to use a damn spellcheck! I don't expect everyone's first language to be English, heck it isn't even mine and I'm sure I make grammar and syntax errors all over the place, but at least I take a bloody minute or two to double-check my posts before clicking the Submit button. You're nearly incomprehensible half the time and belligerent the other half, so you're really not helping your case by not making an effort here.

Stop making excuses and antagonizing people for the heck of it.

Im civil, I just lost my patience after seeing Parcher being accused of someone she did not do.

If you dont wanna believe anything I say its your thing. I know what I said, even my apologise seem to havent covince you, very well then.

You and Beretos can say anything you want, still that is not how it is. Try to not judge me based on a post, if you wanna say i did thid multiple times is your thing. Believe what want.

No need to be so rude at saing that my wring ing good you know?

Also we all here know you are someone who wants to have the last word, that cannot accept a no as an asnwer and always wants to win. Thats why nobody wants to start a discussion with you, since its obious how its gonna end.

I may have embarassed myself Tenkuu but so did you.

[PArcher]

I do want to say, if the WoD were attacking us as a "test", it does not mean they did not have any intent to kill.

Pass = survive the attack

Fail = die to it

Just something to think about

[Tenkuu]

This makes the case for "not a primal" even stronger; not one at the beginning (much less "outside" aether to cloud ours), so if we became one they'd know right away.

Oh I agree with the argument that the Warrior of Light cannot be a Primal. I was simply providing a counter to Cilia's comment that the Scion of your city-state would have noticed from your first meeting with them. Ie, they wouldn't really have, since there was nothing that special about you yet. Heck, you were treated as an ordinary newbie on your first few missions in that you were assigned a more experienced "mentor" to accompany you.

[Tenkuu]

You couldnt better say it yourself, you have the right so say what you like and so I am ( respecting the rules on the forum of course ).
I cannot stop if you dont either, despite I said that im stoping but well..

Everyone seems to do it. Also is not "interrrupt" is give an opinion, everyones does it. On this thread and on the orders, ppl tend to enter to a discussion and express then opinions. What would be the point of doing this threads if ppl can get on the disccusions of orthers? ifact what happened here and on orther threads, all started with people "interrupting". The diferece was of course that is was already a personal and hatred fight based on a misundertood. Some people tend to support the victim, I tend to suport the accuser, and that was my mistake, that and I also seem that I have loosed my patience, but yes thats not an excuse.

But well tend people lose patience, here and on general forums. It happened a lot, I'm not the first and I will not be the last, some people of course tend to hold it much better then me.
I could have handle things different, but what is done is done. I admit I exagetare and I apologise.
What I did here was just to ask you gently to end the discussion, since it was not going anywhere, but of course you have the right to keep going.

Hope you understand now ( you and orthers ). Have you good day.

Pretending to be civil doesn't mean actually being civil, and you're the perfect proof of that. You have also been told by Berethos that this isn't the first time you did something like this, and I obviously also know it firsthand. There is no such thing as "I can't stop because you don't stop". You're the one who started attacking this thread, so you're the one who has to stop, period!

No, you did not give your opinion. You tried to "order" us to stop a discussion because you deemed it "off-topic" when it was not. Others have told you the same thing before I even said a word on the topic.

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense, btw. Everyone has the right to contribute to a conversation, but no one has the right to interrupt a conversation just because they feel it should be going a certain way. It's rude, stupid, selfish, and most and worst of all, arrogant. Again, if you can contribute nothing to a conversation, say nothing.

There are no "victims" or "accusers", there are merely people who sometimes lose their cool but mostly keep it, most of the time. Please don't think that Cilia having some kind of reputation on the forum means anything at all to me. What means something to me is what I hear her saying, both to me and to others, and the way that she says it. This is exactly why we rub each other the wrong way sometimes and have more civilized discussions other times. Either way, what's between two people doesn't concern you at all. You're just the third wheel in cases like these.

And for the love of all that is holy, man, learn how to use a damn spellcheck! I don't expect everyone's first language to be English, heck it isn't even mine and I'm sure I make grammar and syntax errors all over the place, but at least I take a bloody minute or two to double-check my posts before clicking the Submit button. You're nearly incomprehensible half the time and belligerent the other half, so you're really not helping your case by not making an effort here.

Stop making excuses and antagonizing people for the heck of it.

[Tenkuu]

Yes and no. The JP version adds a tiny bit of context, but reading between the lines they're saying the same thing. "Shall we test them?" vs. "Shall we show them [who we are]?" is a tiny difference.

It can be perceived differently by different people, but I read it as a difference of intent. Just like Japanese Midgarsormr actually explained things whereas English Midgarsormr came off sounding like douchebag and a troll.

Really, this is a classic case of people missing the point entirely. Whether or not they were out for blood or just trying us is immaterial; they attacked us with no real provocation, which is a douchebaggy thing to do. That was my point. (Geez, you people really took the douchebag thing and ran with it, eh?)

Pause for a moment there... I think you may be missing your own point... You're the one who put the emphasis on the fact that what they did was very douchy *regardless of the language* and then your final comment in that paragraph is basically saying "geez, ease up on the "douchebag comment"... And to be frank, I don't know which people you're talking about, but I personally ignored the douchebag aspect of your argument because I didn't disagree with it, ie I was taking it for granted that no duh what they did was douchy regardless of language. However, the intent feels different, if only slightly, if you look at the two versions. In fact, I'm not even sure why they would change it from "test", since it would make more sense in the context even in the English version.

Point is Thancred was able to get him to back off, meaning Darklander can't be that much tougher than a peak-condition Hyur. Certainly not "coked up on Primal aether" level.

Hmm, but that's not the point at all, see. If they were merely testing us, then they weren't going full out on us, ie they had no intention of killing us. Also, nowhere so far as Elidibus expressed an intent to kill us, at least not that we the player (not the character) have seen. Also, you cannot separate your statement about the aether from their attack because it is what proves what would make him more powerful than the average Hyuran, and the part I was responding to (point #2) was specifically about how powerful the Warrior is and compared his strength to Thancred's. Basically my point is that what you saw was Thancred holding him off; in studying the Warrior's facial expressions, what I saw was the Warrior not fighting him seriously to begin with. The other point I was making was that Thancred has always been above average in strength, but he still has no special powers, just his skills with knives and his intellect. So he is not a particularly good point of reference for judging the strength of a former Warrior of Light.

Now you're just throwing out unsupported conjecture, which is why I can no longer argue against this.

So what if it's unsupported conjecture? It's speculation, and it makes a heck of a lot of sense. And yeah, you can't argue against it, but your thoughts are your only limit, nothing else.

[Tenkuu]

I do want to say, if the WoD were attacking us as a "test", it does not mean they did not have any intent to kill.

Pass = survive the attack

Fail = die to it

Just something to think about

I don't think of the Warriors of Darkness as separate entities from Elidibus, least of all after 3.3. His intent is transmitted through their actions. I'm sure they had instructions on what to do if they encountered the Warrior of Light and the Scions, such as who was expendable and who shouldn't be killed. At the same time though, I also think the Warriors of Darkness had their own expectations about the Warrior of Light and the Scions, likely from Elidibus, such as knowing the difference in strength between them and expecting them to fight back. Besides, if their intent was to kill, they would have continued to attack as a team. As it was, their first coordinated attack seemed meant to throw us off-balance, to see how we'd react. Basically, there didn't seem to be any expectation of even encountering us, let alone killing us. Exactly as the Japanese version says, this was a "test" and a "greeting", an introduction, and it felt like it.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I just wish introductions could be done without violence for once.