"Who, WHAT are you?" *main story spoilers*

[Berethos]

This kind of response is inappropriate and adds nothing to the topic at hand. All threads, like normal discussion, may naturally drift and branch out into other topics, and that's fine. Please refrain from this kind of pointless response.

And for the most part, these other topics are still connected to the overall theme of discussion in this thread.

Honestly, I'm not sure what his problem is.

[Tenkuu]

According to the theories of Urianger and Minfilia (scenes just after defeating Ramuh), the crystals serve as a gateway...a portal of sorts which does seem to break upon "use" rather than a phylactery (which is what it would basically be if it contained a portion of their soul that escaped to avoid death). My current theory is that it's somehow a concentrated amount of aether from their own realm brought into existence in Hydaelyn, which is how they can use to travel back to said realm (I don't actually have any evidence for this yet, just lack of a better crackpot theory).

Well, but when an Ascian is defeated by us in the way that we beat Lahabrea in Praetorium, we were not attacking his host body (ie Thancred) but his soul (ie his aether), and that *seemed* to be destroyed until Elidibus told us otherwise. This is why I can't imagine how any part of him would have escaped to use the Dark Crystal, except if that part was already stored in the Dark Crystal. In my opinion, it would also draw a stronger link to why they use the Dark Crystals to possess a host. I'd also like to think that maybe Dark Crystals, rather than being the direct opposite of Crystals of Light, might instead be that of Auracite. This could explain why Ascians use the Dark Crystals in this fashion.

It would then seem that the White Auracite, for lack of a better description, is a better conductor of aether than the crystals they use here in our world and is also a dead end, forcing their aether into it rather than letting it pass through the dark crystal...thus trapping them long enough to be slain.

This is part of the reason why I posit that Dark Crystals are directly opposed to Auracite: it seems like both can be used to manipulate and store aether, and each is used by one side.

[Frederick22]

This kind of response is inappropriate and adds nothing to the topic at hand. All threads, like normal discussion, may naturally drift and branch out into other topics, and that's fine. Please refrain from this kind of pointless response.

beacuse it is offtopic

The original topic of the thread related to the archobishop's last moments, and if there is any sing of dark on the WoL.
Not about who has the right on japanise or english. Just ended and move on.

Doesnt matter who actors of what contruies reperesents their characters better, they all do a good job, thats why they pay them, also everyone has the right to choose whatever languaje they want. Both meanings will be the same, just a slight difference of words

[Berethos]

beacuse it is offtopic

No one was saying that the Japanese had the right version, or that the English had the right version.

It was a relevant point to where the discussion had shifted - regarding the Warriors of Darkness and Elidibus and all that - that brought extra context by talking about what was said in a different language. Hell, even the biggest lore buff in these forums, Anonymoose, uses that technique to seek better understanding of the story and lore.

I've seen more off-topic stuff from you lately than anything else Tenkuu has posted, particularly the uncalled for questioning of others contributions to the lore threads and the unnecessary commanding us to drop what was till an on-topic discussion.

[Frederick22]

No one was saying that the Japanese had the right version, or that the English had the right version.

It was a relevant point to where the discussion had shifted - regarding the Warriors of Darkness and Elidibus and all that - that brought extra context by talking about what was said in a different language. Hell, even the biggest lore buff in these forums, Anonymoose, uses that technique to seek better understanding of the story and lore.

I've seen more off-topic stuff from you lately than anything else Tenkuu has posted, particularly the uncalled for questioning of others contributions to the lore threads and the unnecessary commanding us to drop what was till an on-topic discussion.

I woould recomend you to read the hole thing, beacuse it was not.
Well if someone is accused of a very serious thing, and ppl tend to support this when it was just a misundetood that ended being a personal fight. Of course im going to suport the one taht is accused, that and to try to stop a conflicct on peacefull thread were we are all here to share our things about the game's story, before any moderator tries to close the thread for rage and toxic chat.

But is okay, maybe i should have handle things differentand try to exagerate less, doesnt matter. It seems that if ppl gets involve into a personal matter is even more atacked by orders, next time im not gonna even try to involve.

What I said to tenkuu wasnt an order lol, was just asking. The topic she and cilia were discussing way went to far and it really didnt make sence at this point.
If they want to continue, they have all the right to do it.

I really dont have more to say about this.

[Cilia]

Not really. This is where imo the Japanese version comes in handy, since the Warrior outright says "Shall we test them?". I don't believe he's trying to kill us so much as he's expecting us to fight back, except that the one he wanted to test was the Warrior of Light. This is why he's a bit annoyed by Thancred showing up and interrupting just when we were about to fight back. This guy pretty much ignores everyone else and his words after the fight confirm that to him this was a "greeting". In other words, while he shows cockiness and contempt, it doesn't seem to be outright hostility, at least at the time.

Yes and no. The JP version adds a tiny bit of context, but reading between the lines they're saying the same thing. "Shall we test them?" vs. "Shall we show them [who we are]?" is a tiny difference.

Really, this is a classic case of people missing the point entirely. Whether or not they were out for blood or just trying us is immaterial; they attacked us with no real provocation, which is a douchebaggy thing to do. That was my point. (Geez, you people really took the douchebag thing and ran with it, eh?)

The Warrior does not appear to be particularly struggling in that fight, if you study his facial expressions. And if you go with his statement that he was merely testing us and introducing himself to us, he would not have tried to kill Thancred at the time either. Nevermind that though, Primal power is merely more aether unless one is a Summoner, which the Warrior is not, and Thancred was never exactly a pushover to begin with either.

Point is Thancred was able to get him to back off, meaning Darklander can't be that much tougher than a peak-condition Hyur. Certainly not "coked up on Primal aether" level.

If their previous method of trapping Primals is what led to the destruction of their world, they might have been instructed by Elidibus to simply kill Primals instead. It could also be a matter of the Auracite being inaccessible, or even more simply, that Elidibus doesn't want anything to do with it because of its ability to trap all aether, including Ascian souls. Also, whenever one kills a Primal, one absorbs part of its aether anyway, so it's not like they would have gotten nothing out of that fight.

Who's to say they aren't? The story isn't over yet. But tying in to my above point, their mad hunger for aether might be something that Elidibus was able to affect.

Now you're just throwing out unsupported conjecture, which is why I can no longer argue against this.

[Berethos]

Whether or not they were out for blood or just trying us is immaterial; they attacked us with no real provocation, which is a douchebaggy thing to do. That was my point. (Geez, you people really took the douchebag thing and ran with it, eh?)

Hope you don't mind me being a just a teensy bit pedantic here...

You did originally say "try to kill us with no provocation." I can see how Tenkuu's line of thinking would lead them to focusing on that, as some might (and I guess did, in this case) interpret that to as the main point (which is why they also quoted the other poster who mentioned the trying to kill us angle), rather than seeing that your point was that they were being douchenozzles with weird facial expressions, like the Roe I've started calling Blahface cause I don't remember his actual name.

[Cilia]

Hope you don't mind me being a just a teensy bit pedantic here...

You did originally say "try to kill us with no provocation." I can see how Tenkuu's line of thinking would lead them to focusing on that, as some might (and I guess did, in this case) interpret that to as the main point (which is why they also quoted the other poster who mentioned the trying to kill us angle), rather than seeing that your point was that they were being douchenozzles with weird facial expressions, like the Roe I've started calling Blahface cause I don't remember his actual name.

Oh no, no worries. But to continue the pedantry my original statement on the matter was that all we've seen the WoDs do is kill Ravana, attack us for no damn reason (making douches of themselves in the progress), and then ominously observe our actions during every patch stinger. The "kill" came later and is, again, beside the point.

It's meant as a counterargument against the conjecture that the WoDs are the aether-gluttons responsible for destroying Unukalhai's world, but people are clinging to inductive reasoning and putting puzzle pieces where they might not fit. So really, it's kind of a waste of time on my part.

As an aside, WoD!Broegadyn's name is Blanhaerz. Blanhaerz.

[Berethos]

See, I was close. Blahface, Blanhaerz.

I'm still not sure if I should be terrified or laughing at that faced he made.

[Cilia]

I'm still not sure if I should be terrified or laughing at that face [Blanhaerz] made.

Yes, you should be.