What are the best Secondaries for SCH DPS?

[Ceasaria]

As a off-healer, this is how I procede:
- Mind
- Less Piety as possible (it's a waste of secondary stat)
- Spell Speed
- Critical
- Accuracy (materias V)
- Forget Deter, there is not enough piece gear with interesting stats to do something with it (just pants SS/Deter > pant Piety/Crit)

If you want to see my gear, it's here : http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UG3S

[sackm]

acc > crit > ss > det

[Gemina]

Help me out here guys. Reading this thread has caused me more confusion than answered any questions. If I would have answered the OP directly under my current impression of how things work, I would have told him SS>Crit>DET>ACC if looking at solely SCH dmg output and ignoring the benefit of crit shields.

Spell speed directly reduces cast times, and increases DoT potency. I see in this thread that how much has been debated, but I have no contributions here as I have never directly tested it myself. But there is no element of chance. It simply does what it says for every DoT cast, and every DoT tick. The more time spent in an instance the greater the gap becomes between the dmg benefit from SS and everything else.

Critical hit rate is a proc rate. Increasing it doesn't increase damage directly. You can pump this up as high as you want, and still be unfortunate enough to not get any procs, especially when you would like them. Also, I believe energy drain, ruin, ruin II, and broil are the only damage spells that can crit. That's still a nice bundle, but due to the chance factor, I rank pumped-up DoTs over chanced nukes if talking purely damage output.

Determination is a stat I believe needs to be heavily tested to weigh its effectiveness. I think we also have to factor book smacking into the equation when weighing DET. I'm not sure how much this has been done by others. But I think since abilities with high potency are needed to truly take advantage of higher DET, it falls lower on the list for SCH damage output as I think SCH has the least amount of nuke potency in comparison to other casters.

Accuracy is the stat SCH needs the least in my eyes. So many spells in the SCH toolkit don't miss. I am actually not sure how SCH benefits from ACC at all.

[Alistaire]

Since dots calculate a crit every 3 seconds your overall crit rate is going to average out really easily. So don't worry about "if it doesn't crit my stats did nothing" because they will average out, very easily. Yes speed is guaranteed to be consistent but due to the nature of dots, crit will be as well, and even when it varies it will outdo speed. And that's still even before considering healing applications.

It remains acc > crit > ss > det.

[Gemina]

Since dots calculate a crit every 3 seconds your overall crit rate is going to average out really easily. So don't worry about "if it doesn't crit my stats did nothing" because they will average out, very easily. Yes speed is guaranteed to be consistent but due to the nature of dots, crit will be as well, and even when it varies it will outdo speed. And that's still even before considering healing applications.

It remains acc > crit > ss > det.

How is ACC greater than everything else for SCH?

[Kerrigen]

How is ACC greater than everything else for SCH?

Because not missing Miasma/Broil/Energy Drain is the biggest DPS increase there is. Reaching the accuracy caps that are relevant to you should be your top priority.

[Gemina]

Because not missing Miasma/Broil/Energy Drain is the biggest DPS increase there is. Reaching the accuracy caps that are relevant to you should be your top priority.

This is currently not a problem for me. Around what level/instances does accuracy with these spells start becoming an issue? I was also unaware that DoTs like miasma can miss.

[Nekotee]

It can miss because just like the poison from the last boss of hullbreaker isle hard mode
The DoT is only applied if the target is damaged by the direct damage of the spell which work like a ruin

Accuracy Does matter in savage or extrem XD

[technole]

This is currently not a problem for me. Around what level/instances does accuracy with these spells start becoming an issue? I was also unaware that DoTs like miasma can miss.

Aspected DoTs (DoTs that do initial damage on apply like Aero and Miasma) are subject to caster accuracy requirements if you are doing extreme primal or end-game raid content like Alex Savage. For example, Nidhogg Extreme is very close to A6S accuracy requirements for everything to hit.

Dungeons and casual content have much lower requirements that as long as you meet minimum ivl, everything should hit.

Basically if you are going to end-game raid as a Scholar: ACC>Crit becomes overwhelming the best stats to stack.

[Rawrz]

I think at this point we can say, Accuracy> Crit > SS > Piety > Det. lol
(I'm still holding onto my 240 Lore pants for now, but I think once the Healer Pants drop from A7 I'll upgrade to them. The critical and "free piety" helps to stay close to the dps gains of ss and det from pants.)

Oh Det. How I wish you were worth it. :C