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    What are the best Secondaries for SCH DPS?

    Not counting accuracy because that is obvious. But out of the 3, CRT, DET, SS what is the best to gear for to really push the deeps on SCH?
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    Crit without hesitation

    Make your shield go wild if healing
    Make your DoT exploded while dps
    And make your broil burn when single killing

    Crit all the way with acc
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    ACC and Crit. That is it.

    DET used to be good but not anymore, the stat weight nerf doesn't outweigh the benefit of crit shields and damage.
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    Crit is the number 1 always. Every time my Adloquium crits, it makes me smile
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    Indeed but between det and SS ? They're both similar no ?
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    Interesting. The main reason I was interested is because while looking at SCH DPS on the logs, the amount of damage that is effected by SS is 90%, of which 40% is made up of DOT damage.

    Comparing say 330 stats of each you would have:
    SS +5% to 130% of damage. (90% + the additional increase to DOTs 40%)
    CRT +4.44% of 100% of damage. Edited due to rounding error
    DET +4.5% of 100% of damage.

    It seems like SS would be so much better if you aren't concerned about the small % of pet performance.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 06-29-2016 at 11:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Interesting. The main reason I was interested is because while looking at SCH DPS on the logs, the amount of damage that is effected by SS is 90%, of which 40% is made up of DOT damage.

    Comparing say 330 stats of each you would have:
    SS +5% to 130% of damage.
    CRT +4.65% of 100% of damage.
    DET +4.5% of 100% of damage.

    It seems like SS would be so much better if you aren't concerned about the small % of pet performance.
    Do these figures take into account the enhanced pet action on the pet's crits that can increase the scholars spellspeed by 20%?

    I would imagine if accuracy was not in the picture it would be crit AND spellspeed to the cap as far as possible because of this interaction.
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    Last edited by DarkmoonVael; 06-29-2016 at 06:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Interesting. The main reason I was interested is because while looking at SCH DPS on the logs, the amount of damage that is effected by SS is 90%, of which 40% is made up of DOT damage.

    Comparing say 330 stats of each you would have:
    SS +5% to 130% of damage.
    CRT +4.65% of 100% of damage.
    DET +4.5% of 100% of damage.

    It seems like SS would be so much better if you aren't concerned about the small % of pet performance.
    I don't know how you got those numbers. Do elaborate your findings
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    I don't know how you got those numbers. Do elaborate your findings
    If I remember correctly.

    66 SS is both a 1% reduction in Cast/Recast and a 1% increase in DOT damage.

    73 DET is a 1% damage increase.

    42.90 Crit is 1% Rate/Multi from 5%/0.45.

    Pulled from a Theory Crafter site.
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    How I got the numbers above:

    +330 Stats

    SS - 330/66 = 5% (2.375 Cast/Recast from 2.5) + 5% in DOT Damage
    DET - 330/73 = 4.52% all Damaging Abilites
    CRT - 330/42.9 = +7.7% Crit Rate/Multi. 4.445 on all Damaging Abilities.

    CRT Breakdown - Base CRT is 5% with a 0.45 Multiplier or (5*0.45) 2.25% average increase.
    7.7 makes that, 12.7% with a 0.527 Multiplier or 6.69% average increase, but we take the base increase out of that, which makes it 4.44% (6.69 - 2.25)

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    Although a reduction in Cast should only translate into more Broils since dots are static. 5% seems to come out to ~3.5% gain not 5%.
    So 3.5% + 2% from DOTS. 5.5% VS 4.5% should still be better and even more so for AOE.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 06-29-2016 at 11:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    Do these figures take into account the enhanced pet action on the pet's crits that can increase the scholars spellspeed by 20%?

    I would imagine if accuracy was not in the picture it would be crit AND spellspeed to the cap as far as possible because of this interaction.
    For sure it would although I'm not sure what is technically still better due to that. @ about 1000 Crit the Enhanced Pet up time is around 9%. So a total increase of 1.8% SS for the duration of a fight.
    Theoretically using 1000 SS as well would net an additional 18 SS or 0.25% Damage.

    So in the above example of 330 stats it may be something like
    SS 5.5%
    CRT 4.78%
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