Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
well a ko is the ultimate form of not participating, should the healer be dinged for not raising? should the party be unable to clear for their fallen friend? so the Tank and the healer have to redo the boss because they are so vital, but the DPS have to redo the whole dungeon because the casters decided today they'll not raise and laugh their way to a slow clear?

hell, Praetorium alone would have problems like this in spades.
Depends on how the KO happened in the first place, nor is KO the only form of not participating. Honestly this extremist outlook on every end of the spectrum is why these discussions go on for so long. It's not that black and white. Why isn't the healer ressurecting in the first place? Why can the KO not just release and run back? Honestly if you aren't playing your role why are you even in a party where your performance affects other players?

Players who want to purposely sit back and be a detriment to their parties shouldn't be given a pass on a clear or the end reward, is what I'm trying to say. Heck that sort of gameplay shouldn't even be encouraged by either the players or the developers, but the overall tuning of dungeons allow for that to happen, and the length of the discussion speaks for itself in regards to how people feel about it, but only because they miss out on the context on why it's the case, or applying it to the wrong context.