Cash shop ADS mount

[Selli]

what effort is there in waiting 3 hours a day to let RNG decide if your party members are good enough to win or not? it takes no skill to do this, you can be bad and get the ADS mount if you have no life and dont mind sitting in que all day. literally, nothing about this takes any effort whatsoever. sure you can try to carry your team and be good and put in effort, which is nice if more people did that, but most dont, and one player cant carry an alliance.

like it or not, this is not about skill, its about being lucky and waiting.

PvP takes no skill? That's like saying Savage takes no skill. You're fighting other people, not AI. They're not as predictable. It's a different game mode with a different way of thinking, that's why the rewards are for winning. Because it's supposed to be a reward for being able outsmart your opponents.

You don't need "no life" to queue for PvP. I don't know why you're spending 3 hours in queue, I haven't had to wait more than 15-30 minutes in queue since Shatter came out.

Yes, it's possible to be paired with crappy people, but that's the same for every GC. The way people counter this is with 8-man premade parties, which dramatically enhances their chances of winning. Which, in all honesty, isn't fair. There should be a separate place for solo-queuers and premades.

And one person can carry 24-people. You know those people who spam the /a chat with their sound macros? Generally those people are doing that because they know the PvP mode. I have seen people time and time again lead a team in 3rd to 1st because people willing to listen and able to co-ordinate can do a lot more than people running around doing whatever they want.

And if we're going to start demanding mounts in the cash shop that are "too much effort" and require "no skill". Why not throw in the 2,000 Mentor Roulette mount? That's much less skill and a lot more waiting than one ADS.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

As someone who requested the ADS mount even be a thing since 2.1, I want it however I can get it. Don't care if I have to pay or have to win in PvP. I want it BAD, and I'd still PvP anyways.

Now, I agree with easing up on the requirements for the old mount. I was at 82/200 before I switched from Flames to Adders, and 20 wins later, I'm still at 82/100 despite the Achievement text saying "Lead and 3 of the GCs to victory". Switching resets your win counter (you keep previous progress, but effectively start at 0 again). This needs to change.

[Eul]

Why cash shop while my queue is fine? Even without GC Restrictions the queue still fast to 72 man.

What need to fixed is the 200 wins achievement. Mine both Maelstrom and Flame is each 100 wins yet no ADS received but I got field commander set when Maelstrom is 67 while flame is 33.

[Rufalus]

Now, I agree with easing up on the requirements for the old mount. I was at 82/200 before I switched from Flames to Adders, and 20 wins later, I'm still at 82/100 despite the Achievement text saying "Lead and 3 of the GCs to victory". Switching resets your win counter (you keep previous progress, but effectively start at 0 again). This needs to change.

For what it's worth, the new white ball (aerodynamics system) only needs 100 wins and actually adds your total from all GCs. I got my first 40 wins with Flames and the other 60 with Adders. So the new mount is probably more accessible to a person who still has a ways to go on the older one.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

For what it's worth, the new white ball (aerodynamics system) only needs 100 wins and actually adds your total from all GCs. I got my first 40 wins with Flames and the other 60 with Adders. So the new mount is probably more accessible to a person who still has a ways to go on the older one.

True, I'm currently 54/100 toward the new one, but until I catch up to my old progress, it won't count for both.

[Eul]

This thread doesn't have difference with "I want A4S mount on cash shop because nobody run A4S anymore and I hate hardcore raid"

[Teryaani]

I'm a cash shop customer and even I'm not thrilled with this idea. I do agree with the statement of the problem though. They should make the achievement easier and remove the GC restriction from frontlines. Don't remove the incentive for people to play the content though.

[LeeraSorlan]

SNIP

perhaps you mistunderstood my intent, i was not saying PVP takes no skill, because it does. but the skill you need is mostly non existant when you que alone. you are paired upwith 23 other random people, sure you can be good and spam your macros and such, but you will not win if those other 23 people do not put in effort. and as such, PVP is a waiting game of being lucky enough to get likeminded players who actually do put in effort, and if not, you take a loss and reque again untill u get lucky enough to find more players.


Shatter ques are not terribly long depending on the time of day you decide to que and obviously varies from center to center, regardless it can definantly reach up to 3 hours and often does for anyone that decides to even wait such a long time.

[RiceisNice]

perhaps you mistunderstood my intent, i was not saying PVP takes no skill, because it does. but the skill you need is mostly non existant when you que alone...

Honestly, it's a couple of other factors that make landing first place (winning) sometimes be beyond your skill. Having done my 150 wins from sealrock and 50 from slaughter, making calls alone won't be enough to "carry" the team if they are not willing to execute the calls in the first place. Other factors (at least from my perspective of seal rock) is the spawn locations of the tomelithes (especially near the end when you're clutching on points), but most importantly the actions of the other two GCs. You'd be hard pressed to be able to stake any claims if the other two are out for your blood (which is very often the case, esp if you're north spawn)

[EdwinLi]

If they add a ADS into Mogstation i prefer it at least be unique in some way beyond just a different color.

Separate it by unique type of design since not many people will even bother to us the mount anyways.