I guess it's time

[worldofneil]

OMG this thread is still going? lol

I know right!

If anyone that is leaving is on Sargatanas, can I have your stuff please?

I've been playing the game non-stop since launch and I'm happy as it is

[RobbieH]

I know right!

If anyone that is leaving is on Sargatanas, can I have your stuff please?

I've been playing the game non-stop since launch and I'm happy as it is

Good for you, but you're a casual, of course you're happy.

This thread is mostly a complaint by the hardcore/end-game raiders audience.

Mark my words however, if the formula doesn't change with 4.0 this game will die, and even if they make the changes for 5.0 i'm afraid it will be too late.

[Lambadelta]

This thread is mostly a complaint by the hardcore/end-game raiders audience.

End-game raider here. The game is fine.

Mark my words however, if the formula doesn't change with 4.0 this game will die, and even if they make the changes for 5.0 i'm afraid it will be too late.

So the WoW doomsayers have ended up appearing here now?

[RobbieH]

End-game raider here. The game is fine.

Have fun getting gear that is worthless every 6 months, so exciting (^^,)

So the WoW doomsayers have ended up appearing here now?

I've never played wow, you clearly are a bad white knight.

The formula won't change much, and the game will be just fine. Deep Dungeons, a revamped Diadem and whichever new content systems come in 4.x will keep things fresh as the game follows its set path.

I'd like to see how successful the game is 6 months after 4.0, there'll be like 200 people playing the game.

I've predicted Aion and TERA future, people laughed in the forums, guess who laughed last.

[Velhart]

Have fun getting gear that is worthless every 6 months, so exciting (^^,)

Some hardcore only care about getting new fights to take on every 4-8 months. Some are fine with gear being outdated for a new set. Some care about quality of content and look at a gear as a means to an end.

What makes you entirely sure that doing the same piece of content for years for a few pieces of gear is the way to go? Please prove to me this will work on all levels of gameplay and not just for those who played FFXI. I'm begging you to make a compelling argument.

[RobbieH]

What makes you entirely sure that doing the same piece of content for years for a few pieces of gear is the way to go? Please prove to me this will work on all levels of gameplay and not just for those who played FFXI. I'm begging you to make a compelling argument.

I would, but since you already mentioned you didn't ply GW2 to the point you can't comment on it no point for me either to comment on something you don't understand.

People say this game follows WoW formula, which to me is bad, they should start to look at GW2 instead.

I didn't play XI either so cn't comment on it.

Vertical progression is a sickness, that's all.

[Mwynn]

I would, but since you already mentioned you didn't ply GW2 to the point you can't comment on it no point for me either to comment on something you don't understand.

People say this game follows WoW formula, which to me is bad, they should start to look at GW2 instead.

I didn't play XI either so cn't comment on it.

Vertical progression is a sickness, that's all.

Generally Developers should come with their own Ideas (or the one who leads the Developement Team), copying from other MMORPG's is a directly No-Go and People will notice this immediately.
While some People say FFXIV is following WoW Formular, it isn't doing that, they basically are the same yet different in some Ways.

You know what will happen with FFXIV if they start copying other MMORPG exactly what they offer?
They can close their Game and get a huge Penalty on top of that, it's not that simple, some things are Protected and some things are even registered.

This is like stealing Art you have to pay for and re-sell it, this is not on the legal side and if you get caught doing that, well ya, it's going to be a bad time.

[Velhart]

I would, but since you already mentioned you didn't ply GW2 to the point you can't comment on it no point for me either to comment on something you don't understand.

People say this game follows WoW formula, which to me is bad, they should start to look at GW2 instead.

I didn't play XI either so cn't comment on it.

Vertical progression is a sickness, that's all.

Try me, I would love to hear it. GW2 is a current successful game right now. Tell me what you think.

[Zojha]

It takes 2 months at the most to fully gear up a single job through lore and proto midan (at the time of 3.2 anyway, now we have upgraded lore), and that's assuming you're going for weapon which is 7 weeks by itself.

Just to clarify: What I calculated was full tome equip and then upgrading tome equip, because those are the endpoints of progression for a non-raider. I mean, sure, situationally, a mix will be better due to secondary stat weights, but it's IMO faulty to use that as blanket assumption.

So, 1000 (weapon) + 825x2 (chest and legs) + 495x3 (Feet, Head, gloves) + 375x5 (belt and acessories) = 6010 / 450 = 13,35 weeks. Then another 10 + 1 weeks to upgrade all that, because one upgrade per week.
That's where the numbers come from. And since the point was to illustrate that SE attempts to shift the endpoint of progression around the time people reach it, I think that statement is still adequate.

Furthermore, you're taking my latter comment out of context. It was regarding the fact that ones gameplay does not change much when you equip new gear on the same class/job/role/duty, whereas it does drastically when you change your class/job/role/duty together with the gear, making the prior option more stale.

[Melorie]

I'd like to see how successful the game is 6 months after 4.0, there'll be like 200 people playing the game.

Oh god. Do people need that drama to prove their point? 200 people? Seriously?

I've predicted Aion and TERA future, people laughed in the forums, guess who laughed last.

I hope your main is Astrologian.