I guess it's time

[Melorie]

Wow Averaged somewhere around 100 million + registered accounts over 11 years. That's a little under 5 million new registered users per year of the game's existence.

But FFXIV was born in a completely different context and era from WoW. You can't just grab numbers and compare them, WoW history and success has to do with timing, too. MMO market today is not the same from 5, 10 years ago.

Also, why have such grudge for a game? To the point that you want to see it decimated. That's nonsense and blind hate.

[Mwynn]

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This is mainly because WoW had those "Insane" Graphics and Gameplay Elements back in 2005 / 2006. It got hyped pretty much which lead to the number of Players. Nowadays if you want a successfull MMORPG you mostly need CryEngine or some TOP Engine just to have a Chance in the Market.

WoW is going to have it's end, sooner or later, that's just simple the nature of MMORPG's, outdated Features or Visuals are a huge factor in that.

[RLofOBFL]

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The reddit link says that it doesn't include any players under level 20, so some weeding out has been done, & it is April 20th which was 2 full months after 3.2 dropped.

Again I'm aware the playerbase isn't huge as they try to lead on but it is bigger than you give it credit for & is the second highest subbed paid mmo behind WoW according to the internetz. If it didn't have a good playerbase then why is Yoshi okay with never changing? Clearly it's making them money the way they do it now.

[Thayos]

You're not right, read my post above.

Nope, I am right. And you are repeatedly wrong.

The data for that spreadsheet was taken over a three-week period. It's not a running total. So people who quit before the survey period aren't a factor.

That survey was for active players only. That story clearance data is for active players only.

Everything you say here:

Even at level 21 is still not accurate, even if it was lvl49 or 59 is not accurate, people can get there and quit, those active numbers don't represent much simply because people can quit, meaning those players might have been active for X amount of time and then quit for good, meanwhile people who cleared story are proof they kept active.

All of that is completely invalid.

[RobbieH]

Nope, I am right. And you are repeatedly wrong.

The data for that spreadsheet was taken over a three-week period. It's not a running total. So people who quit before the survey period aren't a factor.

That survey was for active players only. That story clearance data is for active players only.

There you go:

Seriously, I would like to know where you got that number(over 800k ACTIVE) especially because you are stating "that were not bots".

I think on some website it showed that the population peaked at 770k or something (including bots).
The same website that said the population fell to 200k after some months.

found the links:
http://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/46515415.html
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckybanc...f/ff3d0a5d.png

[Thayos]

I think on some website it showed that the population peaked at 770k or something (including bots).
The same website that said the population fell to 200k after some months.

But you're comparing apples and oranges here.

We're talking about active players RIGHT NOW. And we have data that gives a data-driven estimate from two months ago. And we've had a patch since then. You're being crazy for clinging to this notion that the game's playerbase has dipped from 600k+ to 200k in so short of time.

Also, you are quoting data from a completely different survey and from a completely different time period. And what does "some months" even mean? Can you quantify that?

Do you know anything about the methodology of the (irrelevant) surveys you posted? Did those figures attempt to filter out bots by not counting active characters under level 21?

You can't be any more irrelevant.

Everything I've said is still 100 percent correct.

[RobbieH]

But you're comparing apples and oranges here.

We're talking about active players RIGHT NOW.

Right now is 2 months ago? You posted a 2 month old link, that's far from right now.

You also take confidence saying you're 100% right from a 1 year old data someone else posted.

You can't be any more irrelevant.

I'm only irrelevant because you don't understand what active players mean, i recommend you to look at steam stats page for an idea.

Peak vs active.

Even if this game peaked at 900k and decline to 500k it's declining, and 500k is the active number, the same way FFXIV can have 500k active subs in one month and the next it can have half.

Anyway you're clearly here only to troll, i've spent enough time with troll white knights for one day.

[RLofOBFL]

3.1 was a 6 month dry spell....come 3.2 the subs shot up to near peak numbers.

You are in serious denial of how successful this game is lol sure it's repetitive end game is crap but it works....until you are faced with a 6 month dry spell. That kinda proves that the content has no longevity seeing as how the playerbase was 1/4 of what it was during that time.

[Thayos]

I'm only irrelevant because you don't understand what active players mean

I think you're completely misunderstanding what I've been saying this whole time.

I'm not arguing that the population hasn't declined. The data shows it has declined. A survey from a year ago (from the same guy who did the survey from two months ago) showed the active playerbase around 730k. A year later, the study I linked shows it around 640k. Yes, that's a decline. But it's not a "ZOMG TEH SKY IZ FALLING" sort of decline.

But look back through my posts, and nowhere am I even attempting to argue that the population hasn't declined. I'm arguing that the population is still healthy. There is a huge difference! And I'm guessing you missed that in all the usual back-and-forth that usually goes on.

You also take confidence saying you're 100% right from a 1 year old data someone else posted.

No, the survey I linked to was from May of this year. The guy who did that survey also did a survey a year ago (when the active pop was 730k). I think that may be the key source of your confusion.

active players mean

Yes, I know exactly what active players mean. THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT IN THIS THREAD IS THE ACTIVE PLAYER POPULATION.

Good grief, talking to you people is exhausting.

But I'm still right. Except for what Zojha said, in that the numbers probably change slightly if you account for alt characters. But most players don't have alts, because it just doesn't make sense in this game. And alts wouldn't have been counted if they weren't used during the three-week period during which survey data was collected.

[Vantol]

I know it isn't active but with 5 million life time subs in 3 years, FF14 is the second most subbed paid mmo.

It means only 2 things: 1. SE is good at marketing 2. How unbelievably bad product must be, to hold only 5% of those, who actually tried it.

A survey from a year ago (from the same guy who did the survey from two months ago) showed the active playerbase around 730k. A year later, the study I linked shows it around 640k. Yes, that's a decline. But it's not a "ZOMG TEH SKY IZ FALLING" sort of decline.

You also should understand that there is difference between "active players" and "subscribers". I know at least 3 ppl who keep paying for this game since release. But none of them has logged in even once in last 7 months. They keep paying just to support this game "because it's FF" and because they hope for changes.

Active player is the person who completes MSQ at least in 2 weeks (though everyone I know complete it usually in 5 hours +/-). All other players are irrelevant. And according to your own Survey there are actually 263,604 players who cleared 3.2. To me it's very low number of active players.