Are the DPS checks for Nidhogg EX excessive?

[Cnidarian]

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Honestly, for a learning party it is ok to use the LB on adds. Even if the group as a whole does not have the required dps to finish the battle, at least it will give people experience post adds. Honestly, it can easily boil down to 1 dps holding a learning party back from clearing adds phase. I was in a learning party that couldn't clear adds and after 40 minutes of wiping to adds we learned that the NIN only had around 500 accuracy. After learning this, we dropped the instance and then helped the NIN by explaining why they needed ACC. A few people helped him spend his Esoteric and Lore tomes to raise his accuracy without hurting his other stats too much and I bought a HQ i220 crafted item and melded some materia onto for him. Another person made some HQ accuracy food for them and we went back in. First attempt we cleared adds with no problem and were able to get some Fang and Claw and beyond practice in.

[Chrolo]

More people delivered :> thanks for the video uploads, this should be proof enough that the dps is not excessive

[Canadane]

Not only is the DPS check not excessive, all aspects of the fight is very forgiving. You get get hit with multiple things you should have avoided and still carry on fine. You an have multiple people die multiple times and you can still carry on business as usual.
Not to say it's a cakewalk, but it's pretty well balanced and an enjoyable fight.

[CrimsonThunder]

If Nidhogg EX (or any extreme for that matter) gets nerfed to cater to the abysmal skill of your average DF player then I'm out.

It's the closest thing we have to midcore content.

[CheshirePuss]

pretty much this. Sad but true reality of NA servers.

I'm doing 1275 dps and I'm only ilvl 222 with eso i230 weapon mnk. I know it can be better since I'm not using pots or food. No the dps is not excessive but a lot of it is proper execution of mechanics which a lot of people can't seem to do. I'm especially baffled when people die to the dashes in phase 1. It's like these people never did Leviathan EX.

I'm currently working on my clear with my fc but I'm an ex raider so I learn fast though this game has some what bored me with the grinds so I've been taking my time doing end game stuff.

You mention ilvl 222 monk with what I assume this being the average of 1275 dps, and then you go off about improper execution.

I've done more than that on average with less ilvl. Am I wrong for feeling like something about your comment doesn't add up?

[OmegaStrongtan]

Are the DPS checks for Nidhogg EX excessive?

Nah only when you get random DDs doing 600 DPS...

[KarstenS]

Back to the above example: both can do 1000dps, 1500 dps or 2000 dps, which would result in both doing 500k absolute damage out of the 1kk lifepool, till the mob is dead. Its just the amount of time, which would be different.

Maybe i should do some videos...
Still, i am not here to prove anything, just saying how it is.

I am not talking from "Momentum", but "real" Fights till the end. (Savage as example)

Maybe you should take some math lessons?

The "enemy" has a fixed amount of life points. The more DPS you have, the faster this number is getting to 0.

If what you wrote here...

If one member doing awesome DPS then one other can NOT do high DPS because the monster is already dead or skipping phase or whatever...
If all doing 1k in savage its the "norm" but when you have one doing 1500 then there must be an other just doing 500...

... would be true, the following should be impossible.

vs.

The left one was our very first A5S kill and the right one our latest. As you see: (nearly) everyone is dealing alot more DPS in the right one.

(The third last line is the limit break).

The left fight took 8 mins 32 secs. The right one 6 mins 34 secs. Thats the difference you get out of more DPS.

Then look into the left column in the picture. This is the fixed amount of damage damage dealt (not DPS]. The right one is DPS. When you add the numbers in the left column together, in both cases you will have the same number as the result. But thats the amount of damage dealt, not the damage over time.

I don't have, nor do I want to join a static because I don't have the time committed to getting on at certain hours due to my career and the fact that my marriage comes before a game and I don't like people raging out and yelling at others because of a wipe or something dumb like that.

You don't need a static for this fight. But when you want to get things like ex primals faster, you need friends, a good free company or some linkshells. PF will be always the longest way as there are to many leechers joining.

[dragonkyn20]

Nidhogg EX is actually pretty forgiving in terms of mechanics. It's not like in the other fights where if one person dies it's basically a wipe. There's a lot of room for error in Nidhogg EX. Someone could wipe in the first phase, get res'd, and still be able to do their job. By the time they get near final phase, their weakness will drop and they'll be good to go for the last part of the fight.

[KarstenS]

Your number trick is nothing new.

Omg. Thats no trick. You really should take some math lessons.

Damage to DPS is the same difference as miles to mph (miles per hour) / kilometers to km/h (kilometers per hour).

If you don't understand the difference, you don't understand what we are talking about here.

[Yukiko]

I was deleting my post to let it be, we become off topic, but as you force an answer: you need to read more carefully!
You change parameters from one example to another while i dont, they key to compare is to have at least some parameters "same"

Lets say you have red apples and you will compare colour of green pears... do you get it?
If you change "time" as example how can you compare left and right picture? Damage per Seconds and you change times as you like...

YOU are the one who do not understand... so whatever, can you just let it be?
I already said what is fact and there is nothing more to add... if you believe what i said is wrong, then so be it, i already told you i am not here to prove anything!

Edit: Try to compare your first kill and second kill (I assume you did not change much gear between that fights which result in a same timeframe), you will see one with a bit more DPS while an other had to drop in DPS. We can discuss why it was that result but there are many possibilities that can lead to that result (deaths, movement, timing...)