Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[MayleeMorningstar]

I really wish you could send tells while in a dungeon. There's a much higher chance of people getting embarrassed/annoyed if you offer advice in front of a group instead of doing it in private. No matter how nicely the advice is given, there's a high chance of it feeling like an attack if it's done in front of a others. Meaning that a lot of times, advice in this game does a lot more harm than good, sadly.

[KarstenS]

Some people play for fun.

Is their fun more worth than the fun of the other people in the party?

Its still not a single player game

[Mindylou]

ppl should be trying to pull their weight I agree fully, but at the same time the true importance of any game is quite meaningless irl.

people should try their best !!!...but no one should ever freak out if others don't ....or they should go see a psychiatrist if they get THAT upset

[Eldevern]

ppl should be trying to pull their weight I agree fully, but at the same time the true importance of any game is quite meaningless irl.

people should try their best !!!...but no one should ever freak out if others don't ....or they should go see a psychiatrist if they get THAT upset

A bit harsh said like that but true. But there are people who do everything seriously, whatever they do, even just a leisure. Some people couldn't imagine to not practicing competition even in their entertainment. Guess they feel they have something to prove, even if other people don't care because they don't feel any kind of competition.

[StouterTaru]

Why, exactly? Just curious because I only have the 200 weapon on my 60s, because more than that seemed like more work than it's worth for me, who doesn't generally try to do anything beyond basic duty roulettes.

Upgrading the 200 weapon to 210 only requires a single run of Void Ark, unless you're talking about the 200 relic weapon, which is a whole lot more time consuming than the 490 esoteric tomes.

[Zojha]

Is their fun more worth than the fun of the other people in the party?

Its still not a single player game

Which then begs the question of the break-even point. And about ethical limits.

For example, a 3-man premade might take a great enjoyment out of bullying the odd man out (Imagine things like killing someone with shadewalker aggro transfer over and over). And surely, the odd man out will have to endure, because it's the enjoyment of one versus the enjoyment of 3, right? His fun, after all, is not worth more than the fun of the other 3 people.

It is unfortunately not as easy. Such a case would rightfully be considered harassment.

[Seraphix2407]

I still see people ignoring that many of us doesn't expect the very best, but rather a minimal gameplay, like... DRG's using unbuffed jumped when their power surge is up? Or when NIN don't use trick attack? Or like that Healer who cure 2 spams when tank has 90% HP left. Those thing's can easily be fixed. When I was new I never knew what an opener was, I just used b4b on my DRG and did 1-2-3 combo, ignored the one to give debuff on boss, sometimes I did that but 3 times a row etc. You get the idea... People told me in public, duty finders and in PF's.

For me, yeah sure I would be slightly emberassed but I always loved taking advice from other people. Why is it a thing that many in here ignore the main point of our post in here?
Why is it a thing people call other people in here who actually want's to help, being called elitist or assholes? I've seen many of the people in here post and you see certain people have the same attitude in most threads, keeps me wondering if they are trolling or not. Like obviously Matt is trolling because there is no way that guy could be serious. Then you have the other people screaming loud people are elitist, but yet to see they are any better, you know.... Telling people to keep being bad, never help them out etc. If there is 1 thing I dislike in this game it has to be those people who lead new or old players the wrong way. Just becase you couldn't do it, doesn't mean the next person can't do it.

Anyways I will keep helping those people who want's help or just give advice if I see any flaw, why?`Becuase it would be so lovely for them to turn into great players.. Ops I mean elitist players..

To be short, I appreciate people who want's to learn to be better or those who help others out. Those are the good people, not the one's who ignore the problem. What's extremely sad is there are more players coming almost everyday and people in this thread loves to keep them on their low standars, so they don't turn into ''elitist'' players haha.

For example, a 3-man premade might take a great enjoyment out of bullying the odd man out. And surely, the odd man out will have to endure, because it's the enjoyment of one versus the enjoyment of 3, right? His fun, after all, is not worth more than the fun of the other 3 people. It is unfortunately not as easy.

I know you never asked me, but I want to reply to it. We had decent people in my group when we 3man premade roulettes, however we are accepting they are doing decent. If some one is just sitting there like they are almost afk we kick them. The other day at 60 roulette a guy had bonus on Saint Mocianne's dungeon and tank left right away thinking it be a slow run or whatever. So we waited and waited, no tank showed up, so my friend left as a MNK and another dps showed up and he came back as a tank so we could do the run. The NIN? not the greatest? Was he pretty bad? from 1-6 I'd say 3. Missed few trick attacks etc, but then again gave him some advice through out the run and he tried and it worked out better. Was it worth keeping him in the group? Hell yeah, he did try and he responded and the run was pretty fast too, because me dpsing as WHM does help alot as well. But you know.... Why did I need to tell you this?`Well because I'm sure many like myself in here would done excactly the same, help a person out. But you know... at the same time 90% of the nay sayers won't believe me, because after all I'm an elitist ass, while they are sweet and kind telling people lies and keep them on their bad standars.

[randysquirrel]

A bit harsh said like that but true. But there are people who do everything seriously, whatever they do, even just a leisure. Some people couldn't imagine to not practicing competition even in their entertainment. Guess they feel they have something to prove, even if other people don't care because they don't feel any kind of competition.

Guess I am guilty of this. Whatever I do, from a project at work to frying an egg, I'll always do my best. Guess it's just the way I was brought up, or maybe an age/culture thing. If that egg comes out perfect or not doesn't really matter, but I'll still try and get it just right. If something's worth doing at all, it's worth me putting in the effort. If someone did something and it stopped me getting that egg, I'd be mad

this started off as some deep analogy, but I got lost because I started thinking about my egg

[Eldevern]

Guess I am guilty of this. Whatever I do, from a project at work to frying an egg, I'll always do my best. Guess it's just the way I was brought up, or maybe an age/culture thing. If that egg comes out perfect or not doesn't really matter, but I'll still try and get it just right. If something's worth doing at all, it's worth me putting in the effort. If someone did something and it stopped me getting that egg, I'd be mad

this started off as some deep analogy, but I got lost because I started thinking about my egg

Oh, you know, I don't think bad about it, I'm more nuanced than my words kept like that. I pretty well understand people who want to do things right, properly. But I have some kind of doubt or wondering when I see people running into other, as if there were in a competition, competition that in fact exists only in their mind. I undersand the wish of a clean job -not perfect, but at least clean- but not some kind of virtual competition that lead few people to run into other or dispising them.

And the question that comes to me if : does a game deserve to come in such angers as if their real life were depending of a game. To be upset, ok, but going mad... I've seen such angers sometimes.

[Remus]

Maybe they should start adding enrage timers on dungeon bosses that would be fun right?