Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Normalizer]

But he's not refusing to fulfill his role. Just not doing to someone's standards isn't a valid reason to kick as I see it.

I will just quote this cause some are obviously selective reading too much:

The blm was level 50, had 15 arc to unlock blm, and had leveled acn as well, if the black mage was truly new as the ast claimed, they were using some other persons account. Also as I said, they were not even trying to communicate back, their performance was intentional.

And to requote myself: "without the basic of their class", "with no response when asked", "wipe after wipe".

And I will tell it again, if it wasn't clear for you, this vote is not for "not doing to someone's standards", it's for "no communication, bot-like behavior, refusing of doing basic rotation or try to improvement even after getting advice from other, causing the group multiple wipes or really just afk follow".

Edit: Also the question of if a reason for vote kick is valid or not is rather dumb, you can kick a person for any reason. Better question should be: if the vote kick worth it, would it be an abused kick, could thing have been better with or without the vote kick. IMO those are more meaningful question.

[Cakekizyy]

You assume it was intentional. Maybe he wasn't comfortable changing rotation midstream.

[RLofOBFL]

Should I be vote kicked for that? Am I purposefully harassing another player for not dpsing in cleric stance?

Here is how I see it. If you're a healer or a tank & you can successfully fulfill your duty than despite how I may feel at you being a tad lazy, at least you're able to do your job so I'm satisfied ie: tank keeping aggro, healing healing people.


How would you feel if a tank stopped trying to keep aggro or a healer just stood there & didn't heal more than the mobs could do so you died? I think it's unfair that DPS are exempt from playing at least with a basic rotation. I don't expect perfection but I do expect a level 50/60 job to be able to do more damage than a tank stance tank, is that so wrong? To want dps to dps, just like anyone would want healers to heal & tanks to keep aggro? You'd HAVE to kick a healer that didn't heal enough bc you wouldn't be able to progress the dungeon, isn't it the same for dps, at least for things with dps checks such as sohr's second boss(soft, I've actually had to heal this before, it was intense) & A8 normal(hard)?


Although I personally don't start a vote kick unless someone is extremely rude or DCd, I would have to say yes if someone else did bc someone really didn't know their job & the tank outdid them, especially if they refused advice. It shouldn't be a stranger in DF's job to tell you how to play, go fight the Midas normal SSS dummy & see if you can win. Can't? Try some new combos. Still can't? Google a guide, there are hundreds of them. No need to waste everyone's limited living time in making a 20 min dungeon 45 minutes, at least do it to be considerate of other people, just like you'd want people to be considerate of you. Not to mention it would null chances of the real elitists to treat you like dirt and berate & troll/kick you for not being able to play.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

A Free Company?

Besides, you make it sound like everyone's a dumbass. That obviously isn't true.

Well based on your post, I got that impression from you.

[Normalizer]

You assume it was intentional. Maybe he wasn't comfortable changing rotation midstream.

Yep, we cannot assume anything, cause we don't know what going with the real person behind the screen, so we should have be more understanding and forgivable before critic them. On the mean time, i might have a bad day in real life too so my hand might get loose on the vote kick button, please be understanding and don't call be a salty elitist, i'm nicer most of the other days!

Sarcasm aside, if you re-read his post, he said the behavior wasn't improved at all till the end of the dungeon. And i will tell you this, it is very easy to see if someone actually try and failed, or not trying at all. I welcome people who try even if they failed and still fall back to their old rotation sometimes, cause you can't "learn" a rotation immediately. But there are people who say "I will play how i want and pass on your suggestion, thank you very much".

Funny though, we keep going on discussing about a "vote kick" which never happened.

[Zojha]

To me a healer going into cleric stance between heals is a nice bonus, but is not your main job.

I am inclined to disagree to a degree. For example, a scholar that keeps eos on sic while being on auto-follow. For many dungeons, that is, in fact, sufficient to do one's main job as healer. But is it acceptable? I think no, because that person is actually doing less than a DPS who only spams 1. And a warrior using only defiance, overpower and his aggro combo is no better player than a ninja using only poisons, death blossom and the dancing edge combo and consequently, should be treated the same, even though the prior will be able to properly fulfill his role's core function with that level of play.

[Cakekizyy]

I am inclined to disagree to a degree. For example, a scholar that keeps eos on sic while being on auto-follow. For many dungeons, that is, in fact, sufficient to do one's main job as healer. But is it acceptable? I think no, because that person is actually doing less than a DPS who only spams 1. And a warrior using only defiance, overpower and his aggro combo is no better player than a ninja using only poisons, death blossom and the dancing edge combo and consequently, should be treated the same, even though the prior will be able to properly fulfill his role's core function with that level of play.

Might take longer, but all are fulfilling role.

[self_riot]

Not gonna bother reading pages and pages of this, so I'm pretty sure I'm just reiterating what someone said.
But idk, some people aren't good or some people play sparingly? If you get worked up over people sucking or "not trying at all", then that's what you need to build up a team of folks you can count on. You can't control how people play and it's not fair of anyone to.

I main as a WHM and I've been playing for nearly a year and I think I stink. I can look up guides or listen to advice, but it's always a case of too much info to process. Just, some people can't always play to their max potential and end up finding their own style of what's effective for THEM and not the universal expectation of how to a play their class. If they learn from your advice, awesome! If they don't, they just may not find as effective for them personally.

Just never gonna understand the frustration of getting paired with randoms who aren't "good enough" and thinking they should be punished for it.

[ErikMynhier]

Some people play for fun. Its ok man. You want an a-team all the time, build a static. As a leader you'll get the respect you seem to be fishing for. More so then what you'll get for a thread like this where you come off as elitist or where you seem to be dropping hints about how great you are.

Its a game dude, relax.

[Seraphix2407]

Not gonna bother reading pages and pages of this, so I'm pretty sure I'm just reiterating what someone said.
But idk, some people aren't good or some people play sparingly? If you get worked up over people sucking or "not trying at all", then that's what you need to build up a team of folks you can count on. You can't control how people play and it's not fair of anyone to..

I get your point, but it's not fun for 3-7-23 people to be taken fun away too. Fun have to be included for everyone just not 1 person. It's also not fair for people to work extra hard just because one decide not to improve either.

Some people play for fun.

So do I. I play to improve and be better each time I log in, that's my goal. I thought playing games had a purpose? Killing bosses, doing things and achive them by beating content etc? Yeah I'm aware of those who do RP etc, but me/others in here don't even talk about those. We talk about people who do battle content on a daily basis. It's not fun for me to log in and then someone is gonnna cry about a nerf or letting other people put more time and energy into their game, just because 1 person wanted to be hard carried. This goes both ways.