Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Kerii]

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I imagine you eat that penalty daily. Specially regarding Blizzard III vs Transpose... That's not as common knowledge as you think. It's like asking if I should use Thunder III + thundercloud over Fire IV. It's "meta" and not blatantly obvious unless you compare the two. Some players just don't go that far out of their way to test it. Or in my own case, never had a veteran player explain why it's optimal. Once I understood why people did it, I started doing it too. To put it plainly, for little things like that just offer them the advice in simple and concise words. If they don't reply or get toxic then by all means leave. However, many times people just don't know any better when it comes to meta things.

[Cakekizyy]

I get your point, but it's not fun for 3-7-23 people to be taken fun away too. Fun have to be included for everyone just not 1 person. It's also not fair for people to work extra hard just because one decide not to improve either.


So do I. I play to improve and be better each time I log in, that's my goal. I thought playing games had a purpose? Killing bosses, doing things and achive them by beating content etc? Yeah I'm aware of those who do RP etc, but me/others in here don't even talk about those. We talk about people who do battle content on a daily basis. It's not fun for me to log in and then someone is gonnna cry about a nerf or letting other people put more time and energy into their game, just because 1 person wanted to be hard carried. This goes both ways.

Which is why he said build your own team.

[Gramul]

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for my poor performance on WoD and Levi Hard last night in the very off chance anyone from those is reading this.
I didn't do my research on WoD and failed to properly coordinate with the group helping to the two wipes on Cerberus. On Levi hard, there was a family emergency and I had to rush away from the computer immediately. I was happy to see you guys got through it in spite of my idleness.

[self_riot]

And that's why if you're really focused on doing your DF as fast as possible, gathering a group of people you can count on is better if you don't wanna risk bad randoms. It's basically the same thing I'm saying, people have different play styles. If you have fun where everyone is on top of it, start a PF or go to your FC. But punishing someone ain't right.

I'm just speaking from personal experience where a tank got pissed off at me because I kept dying in Titan EX as a dps. I read the guide and was following the best I could until those rock bombs started
It was just five hundred things happening at once and it took me a bit to finally get it. I'm a slow learner, so it might not look like I'm trying to folks. If you don't think someone is trying, just ask 'em if they're okay instead of assuming the worst.

[Greedalox]

Some people play for fun. Its ok man. You want an a-team all the time, build a static. As a leader you'll get the respect you seem to be fishing for. More so then what you'll get for a thread like this where you come off as elitist or where you seem to be dropping hints about how great you are.

Its a game dude, relax.

People really need to stop using the word elitist as a means of smothering discussion.

Jeez, whatever happened to communal efforts to get better in games?

Which is why he said build your own team.

You haven't been reading. Many bad randoms is a symptom of a large portion of the community not knowing how to play their class in any sense minimally. Having a large portion of a video games player base goes beyond "just form a static lol", it means that new content AND old content (Steps of Faith anyone? Pharos?) will be nerfed or simply released easy to appease the masses of people who can't function. It's never been simply about running into a single bad person in a roulette- that's not what the heart of this discussion is about, it's what the large masses of bad players means for the future of the game and it's Softcore/Midcore and Hardcore groups, because most content in this game won't even push a softcore player to their limits.

[Seraphix2407]

Which is why he said build your own team.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand I still don't think you get the idea of what I wrote. Duty finder is there for a reason, like I said earlier, I usually run with my own friends if not I'll wait for next day if we on same time. I often think and I should ask you; Do you realize you play with 3-7-23 other people when you join a duty finder? Or 7 others in party finder?

Okay someone say they can do whatever they want, but many and I can honestly say a lot of people often think their sub is worth more than the 3 - 7 - 23 in the groups they join in.
Why is that? Second of all, when you group up with people in your class, are you one of those people who sit back and let the rest do the work for you? Blabla it's a game, you don't need to tell me, first of all, this is also matter of respect. I highly doubt people know what respect means when you see all these people in here talk like it doesn't matter or act like it doesn't even exist. The question I'd love to see coming from you and others in here is:
What if EVERYONE had your attitude or the other people in here(talking about not even trying since, this is what I kinda get from you and your post) Do you think you would ever clear story mode trials or even dungeons? Legit answer would be good.

The sadest part isn't about how bad players play too, but how selfish people sound like. ''I don't care about you, my money my time my place, I don't care if I wipe you because I love it'' Next day on forums they can't beat content: Please nerf it, because I'm so horrible and I'd like to be the content.

100% fact there.

[RiceisNice]

I imagine you eat that penalty daily. Specially regarding Blizzard III vs Transpose... That's not as common knowledge as you think. It's like asking if I should use Thunder III + thundercloud over Fire IV. It's "meta" and not blatantly obvious unless you compare the two.

Blizzard III straight up tells you what it does in the tool tip. It's pretty transparent compared to figuring out thunder III procs over fire IV. It's basic reading comprehension and understanding versus theorycrafting and number crafting here.



To be honest, if you don't understand something despite it being handed to you in a tool tip, it's kind of a poor practice, not just in games but anything in general.

I'm just speaking from personal experience where a tank got pissed off at me because I kept dying in Titan EX as a dps. I read the guide and was following the best I could until those rock bombs started
It was just five hundred things happening at once and it took me a bit to finally get it. I'm a slow learner, so it might not look like I'm trying to folks. If you don't think someone is trying, just ask 'em if they're okay instead of assuming the worst.

Compare this to a BLM level 60 that does nothing but blizzard I, bonus points if they are doing it intentionally. Even now people are still not getting the point of making a reasonable judgement of what people want to see in DF. No one is asking for perfection or being good at the game, but understanding the fundamentals of the game and the basics of your job. Everytime someone feels the need to rebuke that bolded sentence, I feel like they want us to just shove off to make a PF without people like that, and essentially encourage that sort of mindset in DF .

People don't read tooltips.

And do we want to encourage this mindset? Not reading is a pretty piss poor practice and really won't get you far in anywhere, not just in this game.

[FunkyBunch]

Blizzard III straight up tells you what it does in the tool tip. It's pretty transparent compared to figuring out thunder III procs over fire IV. It's basic reading comprehension and understanding versus theorycrafting and number crafting here.

People don't read tooltips.

[Kerii]

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For a person who is claiming that reading comprehension is the reason for that particular mistake... you sure can't read very well. "Where does the game tell you that you should use Blizzard III instead of transpose, which it had you use for the first 37 levels?" It doesn't. The reason you use Blizzard III is that it regenerates mp faster, and it makes the next fire cast faster. Transpose offers a different benefit. It is cast instantly and trades AF for a single UI as it's cost. That means that there are actually situations where you should use it instead, such as when you're about to move and don't have time to stand still for three seconds. My point was and still is that it is "Meta" (Read as the optimal thing to do), and isn't common knowledge gained simply through reading a tooltip.

[MagiusNecros]

Are we really having am argument about Blizzard 3 and Transpose right now?

I can understand TC procs and viability of Surecast. But the uses of B3 and Transpose seem like a no brainer.