Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[EdwinLi]

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Because personal expectation level varies based on the person and when they are introduced to players they are placed with at a random queue it may not be as one expects. For example, if one person performs well as a A rank while another person performs well as a A Rank but does not perform the way that other person would have done things then they would not have met that other person's expectation level.

The Rank system only would score them based on a set system expectation level and how they achieve that level of Rank varies on each player.

On Topic:

There is also different personality of the player to consider as well with as even those who perform at a S or A Rank level of skill can still have a toxic personailty. As much as the OP believes the toxic personailty would go away or moved to low tier rank only groups in a Rank system it will not go away for a S, A, B, and etc rank as there will always be players who can perform at the Rank or a S, A, and B who have a toxic personailty despite having the skills of a S, A, and B Rank player. There are still plenty of players today who would be considered S, A, and B Rank Players who still quit a dungeon over "New Player" and/or 1 wipe due to a accident happened on another player's side, such as life emergency or DCed through different connection issues, or even if the player themselves made a mistake but does not want to acknowledge it such as not communicating with the group on how to handle bosses ,checking if the entire group is ready, assuming the group would skip a group or attack a group, and etc.

Communication is a vital part of a group that can perform well but that is something that cannot be ranked.

Then there is also issues of differences in Job's ability to perform their roles. The most being within the DPS rank as Jobs like Machinist and Bard still remains a bit lower than the other Jobs on DPS even if they perform at their best while jobs like Summoner and Dragoon can perform better on their DPS with less effort than a Machinist and Bard. The calculations will have to take into the Job's individual Min and Max DPS ability so it can rank it properly as well which can be difficult especially with "balance" issues that Jobs suffer from even now such as Bard, for example, had to under go a buff recently to perform better.

Healers Ranking would also have to calculate between DPS and Healing as well due to times when the Tank can perform well without losing a decent amount of HP and times when more DPS may be required. Scoring systems can be a bit crazy when Scoring Healing as a player may spam heal a lot to build up the Healing points even when groups do not need it.

[Mattelot]

You can ask all you want. They will or they won't. However, that's not what we're talking about. It's those elitists who demand that people play at a certain par or leave. Each one of you to me and to everyone else here are random people on the Internet. You have no right to dictate how anyone plays. If you want that power, raid with your FC.

The devs design the game to play a certain way. If they felt t was a problem, they would fix it. They listen to what the players want but do you really think they listen to the holier than thou crowd?

[randysquirrel]

In expert roulette yesterday, one dps was a BLM who only used Bliz3. Then the tank and other dps kicked him.

Dam those filthy elitists

[Obysuca]

Just something to remember to all of you who go on about "elitists demanding people to play at a certain(basic/average) level or they get kicked".

If you're only pressing 1 button or "playing how you want" and dragging the pt down, that's also considered harassment, so keep that in mind if you think you're doing the right thing, which is not only a reason to kick you from the party, but can be reported also.

Asking someone to do at least their basic rotation that the game pretty much tells you (dotted outline) is the rotation, is not harassment or elitism.

It's those elitists who demand that people play at a certain par or leave. Each one of you to me and to everyone else here are random people on the Internet. You have no right to dictate how anyone plays.

Because you have the right to dictate how many times we're going to wipe because your ass is lazy and can't do the basic rotation so you call people elitist for asking you to do something the game taught you how to do 30-40+ levels ago? Right.

By your logic, tutorials are elitist, since they tell you how to play. Are dps checks that cause insta-wipes also elitist because you have to play a certain way or fail the fight? How about mechanics you can't ignore? Are those elitist too? What about quests that tell you where to go and to click an object? Are they elitist for telling you what to do? Let's get into some real life examples too. What about your rent/bills? Are those companies elitist for asking you to pay a certain amount or leave? How about things that are illegal? Are laws elitist for telling you that if you break them, theres consequences? If a box says "do not open or you die", is that considered elitist since it's telling you what to do / not to do?

Welcome to life, kid. Sure, you can "do what you want", but don't expect to get away with it. Theres a reason people/things tell you what to do or how to do something. It's best that you learn this lesson early on and to be a team player or else you're going to have it rough later on when someone does more than just telling you not to do / to do something. You're not cool. You're not edgy. It just makes you look terrible and selfish to ignore advice and to "do/play how you want"

[Zari]

Here is the thing. Would a rating system be fine? Sure

Would a rating system that actively splits up DF (as in you only get people in/near your own rating) be fine: HELL no

All that does is destroy queue times even more, split up the community, and drive people away. You guys say "i'd take longer queue times to only get with other S ranks" (nice ego assuming you would definitely get S btw) but then if this would happen you would then complain about your 30 min-hour long queues.

[Khalithar]

I'm against a rating system, but after looking at the battle records part of the chart in the OP. I'd be very interested in seeing a chart at the end of the run showing things like damage dealt/damage taken/healing done and things of that nature.

[Brian_]

He's right that at the end of the day, we have no real power to tell him how to play.

But by that same logic, he also has no power to stop his teammates from doing as they wish and kicking him from the group. That's within their power as individuals.

[Mattelot]

You knew exactly what I meant. You're just jumping in the conversation and arguing with someone for the sake of arguing.

Keep reaching, you're about to touch the stars!

Edit: Never been kicked from a group. The majority of people saying they kick someone for being bad, I guarantee are made up.

[Snugglebutt]

This thread has too many elitists and the idea itself is spiteful and arrogant. Truth is you already have PF for making groups of like minded people, people which are asked to have the same play style and where you set your own rules for joining/goals and requirements. If you do not like the fact DF contains random people from different worlds, many of which are in the place for first time or have different skill levels for multiple reasons then don't use DF and stick to PF.

[Mattelot]

Snugglebutt wins

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