Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Brian_]

The only way you will fix the DF is to change how the NA player-base approaches their communal responsibilities.

Right now, if content is an empty room, when people use the DF, they walk into said room, defecate all over the floor, and then we all wonder why nobody wants to eat, sleep, or live there anymore.

You need to make people care about their actions. In the end, it boils down to accountability. And, while emphasizing individual accountability, you also need to make sure people understand they sink or swim together.

Using a grading system is fine but the implementation in this thread is horrific. It doesn't incentivize people to work as a community and only further pushes people into their rugged individualism.

[Kaeoni]

16 years of playing mmos and I've never seen a mmo so dumbed down and hand holding (except savage), that people still fail at it :/

It's possible that because I've played other MMOs like FFxi, Tera, ect, for so long that I've already done this dance and that i'm blind to the need of this kind of system. That this game is in fact hand-holding. Because I've never honestly saw the game as hand holding, not sure why I didn't think of it before you mentioned it. I'm the type because of FFxi to make parties and surround myself with like minded individuals to get things done.

It's natural to me so it does baffle me when i suggest make groups yourself and people just ignore the idea and focus back on the idea that DF needing to be changed... I Mean, even with Shiva Ex, I only had 2-3 friends on at any given time, so I had to get random people to fill in the gaps. Met some good players making Party Finders for all of the primal fights. We still do stuff to this day. So I dunno.

I'm still against it. But everyone knows that lol. I'm fundamentally an optimist and I believe in peoples ability to do good in and out of game.

And that's my last comment on all this stuff... I need to do other things like work, haha. Hope nothing too radical or crazy that hurts people comes of all this is all.

[mp-please]

Vindictus EU had a pretty good system. After finishing a fight successfully, you'd get your dps as a rank and your place in that rank. You'd also see who was the #1 dps on that party.



You were also attributed a rank that didn't had any impact on anything, just a "you did good and you got SSS on this fight".

[MihaelB]

Vindictus EU had a pretty good system. After finishing a fight successfully, you'd get your dps as a rank and your place in that rank. You'd also see who was the #1 dps on that party.



You were also attributed a rank that didn't had any impact on anything, just a "you did good and you got SSS on this fight".

This would be something I would like, I'll paste this in the front page if you don't mind

[SaitoHikari]

Keep the grading system idea because we DO need some way for the game to provide feedback on how we're performing outside of dummy tests and third party parsers, but having it affect anything about how queuing up works is absurd.

Alternatively, this would be a good way to boot out the bad prestige mentors too. You can even go a step further with combat mentors - their grades could be made PUBLIC on their search info (though done in a way that you'll see what grades they're getting as which class, as there's currently no way to tell which classes each individual mentor is good at playing, and there's so many classes that mentors shouldn't be expected to be good at every role).

If their grade dips because they're an all around ass and they're taking that public heat as a result, they'll be taking that crown off real quick.

[Normalizer]

But I don't think it's such a huge problem that we need to make an entire ranking system to Separate our community... It says some real bad shit about our society if we need that, and that we're okay with that... Especially if other servers are just fine?

Things mostly happens on NA/EU server (?):
- Ppl leave right at beginning of Final step of faith (niddy story), cause we not gonna clear it on DF! (I even saw PF for it)
- Ppl leave right at beginning of Aurum Vale (cause who gonna spend 50mins for a dungeon while penalty only 30mins)
- Ppl spam vote abadon right after 1 or 2 wipes in 24man, or keep wiping at 1st boss
- Primals Ex on DF when still relevant: near 0% chance to clear or never pop (and lot of people queued with the mind set: "I'm going in blind cause it's fun, don't ruin it for me, I will ignore all your writing about tacts and figure it out myself")
- Ice mage
- Jumping healers (who jumps all around casting cure or spamming medica 2 once awhile while everyone is 99%)
- Medica 2 whm

The list goes on and on... but that is never a real problem cause everyone is having fun And things will be nerfed eventually.

[Larkspur]

Keep the grading system idea because we DO need some way for the game to provide feedback on how we're performing outside of dummy tests and third party parsers, but having it affect anything about how queuing up works is absurd.

Alternatively, this would be a good way to boot out the bad prestige mentors too.

Yeaaahhh... OP wants this to affect duty finder, so the idea is absurd in that sense already.

[randysquirrel]

I don't really think any of this is necessary. If you run DF you should just accept whatever people you are paired with, however poor they may be. Anyone that has any experience of DF knows there are same bad bad players out there, but you just suck it up.

I did however like the bit about a "rating" being given at the end of the dungeon, just as an overview to how well you did

[FinaSel]

Things mostly happens on NA/EU server (?):
- Ppl leave right at beginning of Final step of faith (niddy story), cause we not gonna clear it on DF! (I even saw PF for it)
- Ppl leave right at beginning of Aurum Vale (cause who gonna spend 50mins for a dungeon while penalty only 30mins)
- Ppl spam vote abadon right after 1 or 2 wipes in 24man, or keep wiping at 1st boss
- Primals Ex on DF when still relevant: near 0% chance to clear or never pop (and lot of people queued with the mind set: "I'm going in blind cause it's fun, don't ruin it for me, I will ignore all your writing about tacts and figure it out myself")
- Ice mage
- Jumping healers (who jumps all around casting cure or spamming medica 2 once awhile while everyone is 99%)
- Medica 2 whm

Most of these things I have never seen in my server (Oceanic server).
-I've never seen anyone leave at the beginning of Final Step of Faith OR the original Steps of Faith. (only heard someone complain ONCE)
-Never seen anyone leave at the beginning of Aurum Vale.
-Only seen a Vote Abandon once, after 4 deaths to Ozma. The first time it didn't pass. It passed after the 5th wipe.
-Pretty much everyone previews the gimmicks of the fight before entering. I've only met one person who said it is more fun not to do so.
-I've only seen one ice mage ever, and they were not a Japanese (a different server on the same data center.)
-Only people I've seen spam Medica II were not a Japanese (a different server on the same data center.)

Having a grading system isn't going to change people's behavior. People will still just do whatever they want because they want to do as they like, with little respect for others in the group.

Failure to consider the other group members, have effective communication, strategy, and cooperation is the reason why people don't clear content.

More or less, I think it comes down to a difference in culture. A grading system probably won't change that.

[Asmodai]

A system of this sort defeats the entire purpose of the duty finder in it's entirety.

You want a hardcore group to play with find them on your server make a Party Finder or deal with what your randomly assigned because that's what the duty finder is randomly assigned people.

The purpose of the duty finder is to speed up queue times. Not to make the good people carry the bad.