Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[StouterTaru]

To be fair though, B should go on the left, A in the middle.

--------A-------
--- B-------C---

That's not how any 24 man raid works that I can think of, the one that jumps out the most is last boss of Void Ark. At the split, the lamia (middle) has aggro on B tank. Snake on her left has hate on A, snake on right has aggro on C.

Back on subject of splitting the player base for DF content, it would drive bads out of the game. That may sound like a good thing at first, until you have to put up with the longer queue times that comes along with it, and less content due to fewer subscribers.

[Obysuca]

That's not how any 24 man raid works that I can think of, the one that jumps out the most is last boss of Void Ark. At the split, the lamia (middle) has aggro on B tank. Snake on her left has hate on A, snake on right has aggro on C.

Except the snake on the left goes to B in the middle? Go do it again and take a good look. Left snake has automatic hate on B's tank, lamia has hate on A's when they spawn before anyone touches it. I assume you're looking at it after the tanks pull them, but I can assure you, before any of the tanks touch it, the lamia is on A's

Even on Amon, those snakes go in the same triangle pattern with A at the top, B on the left, C on right. The dullahan in LotA, notice how A always turns invisible first, yet people put A on the left, which the lines come from the top pot and not the left?

Also, just look at this. When you read it with A at the top, seeing as most places in the world read top to bottom(yeah, left to right / right to left, but top lines then going down etc), it'd read as ABC, but with B at the top, it'd read BAC. You have to remember, it's not setup in a straight line, they setup the fights in a triangle for parties.


After reset, I'll be back with screenshots of right when the adds spawn and which tank they have hate on before they pull.

Back on subject of splitting the player base for DF content, it would drive bads out of the game. That may sound like a good thing at first, until you have to put up with the longer queue times that comes along with it, and less content due to fewer subscribers.

Well, sure sounds like a game thats 99% instanced isn't that great of an idea then >_> Everything instanced also somewhat kills the chance of there being a real community since the majority of the time you're doing things with people you'll never see again :/

Also, do you really think the amount of content would change? We already lost an extra dungeon, while SE just added more stuff that should be in game to the mogstation. I can promise you, the mogstation money and a good portion of our subscriptions aren't going back into the game, especially when they talk about how understaffed they are and how little content actually comes out, with a good portion of an update focusing on glamour or dead on arrival content. Sure, an RP icon works for people heavily into RP, but couldn't that have been better spent on actually giving us content to keep us busy and not having a lot of people finish everything an update has to offer in a couple hours / day or two, then have nothing to really do for 3 months?

With as much money as SE claims to make off XIV/mog station, you'd expect them to be able to continue to give us 3 expert dungeons while also adding new content >_> You know, like a lot of mmos, rather than reducing the overall content.

I can 100% guarantee you that most of XIV/mog station's profits go to other projects, like XV, whatever mobile games SE makes, KH3 etc, just like how a good portion of XI's profit went to funding XIV not once, but twice , yet XI still gave us more content to keep us busy with than XIV does currently >_>

[Rosalynd]

I do not think the game has any need for a ranking system the likes of which OP describes. I do however believe that the toxic culture that permeates the yank servers really needs to change, especially in the elitist cliques.

[Mattelot]

I disagree 100% with the OP. This mentality went all the way back to FFXI when people had the illusion that JP parties were better. This is just another way for Elitists to dictate everyone else.

[Xlantaa]

Again this bullsit of categorizing people?

"Hey man, I'm pro, I want play ONLY with pros!! Fuck the news!!!"

Still don't understand this obsesion with put walls and discriminate people. THis mentality is destroying the FFXIV community by creating a toxic behaviur and the hated word "Elitist". But there is no other word to describe this.

You forgot that Duty Finder is designed to pair will all kind of players and help news to clear content.

[Launched]

Yes please. I'll gladly take longer queues if it means I only get matched with other S ranks. A higher chance to get good dps players might even convince me to queue as tank again.

[Mattelot]

Oh, but Xlantaa, didn't you get the memo? If you don't play how the Elitists think you should, you shouldn't be playing.

[bass9020]

Again this bullsit of categorizing people?

"Hey man, I'm pro, I want play ONLY with pros!! Fuck the news!!!"

Still don't understand this obsesion with put walls and discriminate people. THis mentality is destroying the FFXIV community by creating a toxic behaviur and the hated word "Elitist". But there is no other word to describe this.

You forgot that Duty Finder is designed to pair will all kind of players and help news to clear content.

Whats destroying this game are people who can't even do basic things and then whine, why should the game be catered to them? But I blame the devs more than the players since they give in instead of saying no this is how the is game played.

Ive seen so many new people in DF who don't even use core abilities in there sets. I shouldn't have to tell a bard to use foes or tell a paladin to use flash. But if I say something then I'm barked at for telling said person how to play. Most new players are horrible just saying.

[StouterTaru]

Except the snake on the left goes to B in the middle? Go do it again and take a good look. Left snake has automatic hate on B's tank, lamia has hate on A's when they spawn before anyone touches it.

Maybe that is the way, been a while since I tanked it. All I can remember for sure is that the people that throw the party markers out always screwed up where they should be. For pretty much everything else (even Amon and the Dullahan) alliance placement is pretty arbitrary for mechanics. The same goes for mechanics; one singularity stone goes back, one goes left for Oozma. You could do it a few other ways, but that's the way it's done on my data center.

Also, do you really think the amount of content would change? We already lost an extra dungeon, while SE just added more stuff that should be in game to the mogstation.

Yes, I do think that if they drove away a third of current users, and made the game less friendly to noobs, content would decrease. If they're making x amount of profit now, they won't spend more if that drops, and they'll have a hard time justifying spending the same amount if their profits take a hard hit.

[Obysuca]

If you don't play how the Elitists think you should, you shouldn't be playing.

But is it really elitism to ask a person to play at an average amount of skill level so you're not wiping forever on things that are easy? As was said before, just a simple glance at your skills tells you a decent/good rotation that can get you through pretty much everything out atm. Use skill B after skill A, do 100 more potency. As I said in another post, I had people i220+ in Bismarck Ex yesterday and we didn't have the dps to kill both snakes. Think about that. It's not really elitist to ask someone to actually put a little bit more effort into playing, rather than just auto attacking or hitting 111111111 (no mch jokes...).

Yes, there are elitists out there who kick for no good reason, but if someone's wearing i220+ gear in content under i210(or even under i200) and their dps is terrible, something has to be done. I'm not going to ask someone to put in 110% effort all the time, I'm just asking them to put in enough so they're not dead weight and dragging the party down. XIV is easy enough as it is, so much that a monkey could play it and do well, yet I see people at 60, in current content, who can't even do things they should have learned 30-40 levels ago. Tanks who don't know how to tank. Healers who can't keep people alive. Dps who stand in everything, don't move for positionals so they do more damage(things like expert don't matter too much for that, but I do it anyways, so I'm doing my part the best I can, all the time), Mch who don't use turrets or GB (yeah, I still see that...), brd who don't use WM or songs etc

Which sounds more fun to you? Getting into a party full of i220-i240 geared people, but you're the only one who's actually doing the basic rotation to do average damage, so the party can't do dps checks or rage timers so you wipe for an hour+ then the party disbands, or getting into a party of i220-i240 geared people and everyone is at least doing the basic rotation so you can complete dps checks and rage timers and rarely, if at all, wipe?

People these days forget that a mmo is about cooperation and teamwork. If you're dead weight and not contributing at all, then yeah, theres every right to kick if you won't take the advice and improve some(again, nothing against new people, thats fine, it's just the bads and terribles who refuse to put in effort). Who else here remembers older mmos, specifically pre-WoW, when people actually gave it their all when in a party so they could actually complete content? I sure do. I also remember that when you told someone how they can improve since they're not doing well, they didn't whine and cry, call people elitists and report people, they took that advice and improved and it made the community and playerbase better overall.

For pretty much everything else (even Amon and the Dullahan) alliance placement is pretty arbitrary for mechanics.

Oh I know, I was just saying how it bugs me lol

Whats destroying this game are people who can't even do basic things and then whine, why should the game be catered to them? But I blame the devs more than the players since they give in instead of saying no this is how the is game played.

^ This. Who else here remembers when Steps of faith was fun before the bads/terribles cried to the heavens for nerfs because they couldn't handle something that's not a good ol' fashion beat off?
They're also the reason why we don't have a true pet job. Straight from SE themselves (old quote from back in 2.0) that the reason we don't have one is because "new players would find it difficult". Ok? They either don't have to play it or can learn how to play it, why dumb it down so much?