Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Mattelot]

They can be two different things and they can be the same. Some don't use them because they don't understand them. Some tooltips are not good. Playing Ast, Royal Road is a fine example. There are skills I didn't use when I started because I didn't see how they were useful to me. There are skills that I still don't use because I've tried and found to really change nothing. On my Sch, I've read people thanking Jeebus for Dissipation while I've only used it twice. First time was to see it in action, other was by accident. Never needed it. I love Abyssal Drain and I know people who never use it.

[Deceptistar]

At some point I think there is a fine line between expecting others to pull their own weight, and being a self proclaimed weight puller who just betches and whines at a candy store that they can't get all that they want from whoevers with them there

in a lvling or raid environment there is a minimum medium and maximum that pple can do. Aside from raids where I agree that 100% is expected, I'd say 70-90% effort is around the medium for non raids. If your at a point where you are complaing a lot that the medium effort in non raid environment is not enough, you shouldn't be using the public DF. Same concept as making your own endgame LS/FC, you filter out people so that they are within your expectations, not expect the whole region to adhere to your expectations

[RiceisNice]

If you're not using dark side, you won't have the extra damage or access to dark arts. It ultimately leads to them losing aggro when I'm playing my job of DPS normally and not having access to part of their mitigation. Especially if they have the galls to tell me to stop pulling aggro, that's my trigger for a vote kick espesically if they're intentionally not using darkside to improve their tank performance.

Likewise for ninjas who don't want to use poisons for whatever reason. There's simply no reason to not to other than to under perform your role (which you are in the party for)

[Cakekizyy]

No need to be a a-hole about it either. If you want to discuss or argue againts me, you would first need to stop making up things. I wont take it back, you are toxic.


Comes from the right person, am I right?



Orly?

He made a mistake and apologized. Who is being the asshole here?

[RiceisNice]

He made a mistake and apologized. Who is being the asshole here?

He never apologized, but instead responded in a rather negative tone that it seemed like seraphix was offended, and justifiably so considering that mattelot called him out by name and quotes, while at the same time still putting words into his mouth.

Sera, posting on my phone, I saw the white hair and got you mixed up. No need to type a novel about it.

At best, he might've not have intended his message to be directed to Seraph, but he's certainly not taking it back.

[Cakekizyy]

Sounded like a form of apology to me.

[Greedalox]

Mihael, me not wanting to DPS while I heal is my choice to make. I feel that I do just fine. There is a difference between being plain bad and choosing not to perform out of the scope of your role. If i just danced and let people die, that's one thing. Also, I read so much garbage "advice" on here. Those same people condescend if you don't agree.

DE-Roxas, thast a bad comparison. A Smn who only uses Ruin would be like a healer who only uses Cure/Physick/Benefic and nothing else. That's not playing out of the scope of your job.

This has always been a silly argument, IMO. You're not going only as a role but also as your class. If you weren't meant to DPS when the opportunity was available, why do WHM's have Stone, Aero and Holy? Why do SCH's have DoTs for days? Malefic and Gravity for AST? They'r tools in your kit that you talk about. I'm a support role, you don't see me tossing up mana turret and going afk. It really just boils down to you proclaiming your desire to not improve, which is worse than a standalone bad player because at least one day they might get better.

[Seraphix2407]

He made a mistake and apologized. Who is being the asshole here?

First of all, where is the apology?

Sera, posting on my phone, I saw the white hair and got you mixed up. No need to type a novel about it.

I can't see any. Second, replying to me in that way doesn't make it even close to an apology, he just came off as aggresive after he made up things I was saying, but I never did? Again where is my apology? Third, I still can't see it.

Yeah 1 more thing..He can argue or discuss all he want's with me, I'm fine if he has different opinions, but look at what he wrote. He suddenly is bringing up thingsI never said or never would say to him.

Sounded like a form of apology to me.

Sera, posting on my phone, I saw the white hair and got you mixed up. No need to type a novel about it.

And how is my reply to him like an asshole thing? First of all, he talks like he knows me, second of all he puts words in my mouth and the very last thing the way he replied wasn't even close to an apology, just a way to get away and admiting he was wrong. But yeah.

[Cakekizyy]

This has always been a silly argument, IMO. You're not going only as a role but also as your class. If you weren't meant to DPS when the opportunity was available, why do WHM's have Stone, Aero and Holy? Why do SCH's have DoTs for days? Malefic and Gravity for AST? They'r tools in your kit that you talk about. I'm a support role, you don't see me tossing up mana turret and going afk. It really just boils down to you proclaiming your desire to not improve, which is worse than a standalone bad player because at least one day they might get better.

I would say they have those abilities for when they have to solo.

[Greedalox]

I would say they have those abilities for when they have to solo.

Wait have I been playing my MCH wrong this whole time and using my damaging skills in groups? I play it to be the mana battery support.

"When you've healed all there is to heal, there may be time to weave in some offensive magics." - Hall of the Novice

So there went that theory, even the most basic healer training promotes it.