Veto One Dungeon in Each Roulette

[Taiine]

The deal is, we already see a lot, and I mean a LOT of people who do a roulette, see it's one they don't like, and flat out leave taking their 30 min penalty. In my time sense I started playing, and lving class's. I have seen a number of people that just flat out leave runs they don't like, on all the rouletes.

Personally I much rather people go "I don't want to have __ show up in my roulette" vs having people leave and then being stuck sitting there waiting for another to fill the spot. If it's a tank/healer we could be waiting for a while. Or everyone just upps and leaves. Then what? Back to another 10-20 min dps queue. I've waited over 40 minutes for a expert to pop only to have the healer leave, then the tank leaves... then sitting there for another 10 minutes to get a tank back.. before the run falls apart due to no healer.

So really... I would not be against the option of vetoing a run. Personally if a run is so bad that a lot of people hate it, maybe SE should look into why.

[Elijahshane]

It's not so much the dungeon as how horrid being level synced feels most likely. It's really annoying

[Nyghtmarerobu]

The deal is, we already see a lot, and I mean a LOT of people who do a roulette, see it's one they don't like, and flat out leave taking their 30 min penalty. In my time sense I started playing, and lving class's. I have seen a number of people that just flat out leave runs they don't like, on all the rouletes.

I feel like even if you could pick 1 dungeoun to not run out of the 8-10 there are in, for example, 60 roullette, people would still bail out of runs they didn't want to do, or that would take more time that others. So for OP's case, he'd veto ARF, and could simply bail from lets say, neverreap, since thats one people don't like much either. Doesn't really help the cause if you get what i'm saying.

Personally, if people want to bail out of a bad roullette, thats on them, you can enjoy your 30 minutes doing w/e it is you do. Despite what people may think, every dungeoun can be done quickly if you know what to do. They might not be 10 minutes fast, but on average, its 15-18 minutes, but then again I play tank.. so I know how much I can pull. *shrugs* Take that as you want.

[StouterTaru]

It's not so much the dungeon as how horrid being level synced feels most likely. It's really annoying

It's the team member that make a run unbearable for me, not the zone. Can we get some kind of player veto system instead?

[Atoli]

Like others have said, being able to take out the dungeon you don't like would defeat the purpose.

That being said, I agree with the part about the leveling roulette. I'd really like to see a 15-50 and a 50-60 roulette instead of 15-60.
Not to evade certain dungeons, simply because I tend to queue for leveling roulette with classes that I can play in low lvl but might not be geared or might be too hard/unfamiliar/etc. past 50.
I regulary forget that I can get 50+ dungeons through it too, and end up as SCH in The Vault or the library...

[Canadane]

Aetheorchemical Research Facility has the best esoteric rate.
Not only do you hate something extremely valuable, you are using a system that is designed to give you a chance at getting this place. If you don't like something don't do it.
It's the same deal with the people that dislike the Aurum Vale for some reason. They can simply not do the roulette in which it resides.

[JustPlainLucas]

My problem with Aethero is that I've gotten it for the past six days straight and not ONE person needed it. I have always said that Aethero should have been an 8-man dungeon and thrown into the MS roulette. If it simply must remain in 60, then here's what to do. Since that dungeon is a mini T8 (I believe?) have some cool gear drops reminiscent of Coil gear. Then, you'll actually have people queing FOR that dungeon instead of trying to veto it.

[AskaRay]

My problem with Aethero is that I've gotten it for the past six days straight and not ONE person needed it. I have always said that Aethero should have been an 8-man dungeon and thrown into the MS roulette. If it simply must remain in 60, then here's what to do. Since that dungeon is a mini T8 (I believe?) have some cool gear drops reminiscent of Coil gear. Then, you'll actually have people queing FOR that dungeon instead of trying to veto it.

Needed it as in to clear for the story? Or needed it as in to get eso?
I know tons of people who are just running ARF over and over for eso.

[JustPlainLucas]

Needed it as in to clear for the story? Or needed it as in to get eso?
I know tons of people who are just running ARF over and over for eso.

Story. Now that they've raised the eso, it seems everyone is actively queing just for that dungeon. It irks me, though, because I'm so far ahead on umbrite and don't need anymore eso. They raise the eso on this dungeon, but don't bother raising poetics on any of the other roulettes. That's what I really need.

[Eoko]

The ARF hate is basically always because it's the dungeon everyone gets. And generally people don't want to run the exact same content every single day. It's painfully boring and just feels like a slog. Yes, the reason people are probably all getting the stupid dungeon is because of all the ones that are queuing up to run it for the increased eso. So you get a bunch of singles queuing for it and creating the instance reservation. And then everyone doing 60 roulette gets shuffled into one of those groups. But if so many people are queuing to run the damn thing for eso farming, I don't see how they're going to have that much trouble getting their own parties together. It just happens faster with the roulette cause it sees an open slot in a reserved instance and fills it.

And I don't think that the "don't make it worse cause it's a story requirement" is much of an argument. I said I waited over 30 minutes for each of the 3 initial dungeons, which are all story requirements. And those likely take so long to fill cause most people in general don't really do the Leveling as much as the Ex and 60. And if they do, there are a TON more dungeons to get thrown into.

Yes, obviously I want to have my cake and eat it too. I want the benefit of the roulette for the bonus, but I don't want to run ARF 25 times in the span of one month. I don't want a roulette of 7 or 8 dungeons always spit out the same one. That's like playing Russian Roulette, but every chamber is loaded and you're going to take one to the head no matter what you do. If it were actually a 1/7 or 8 chance, it wouldn't be so painful because you'd maybe only see it once a week, and maybe not for a whole month. But if people keep queuing for it, that's going to create instance reservations that have to be filled. How is it even a roulette if you are always getting the same thing?

It's not that ARF is slow (it can feel like it with the gates), and it's not like the sync is that bad (cause a good party still wipes it clean pretty fast). The thing can be cleared in about 20 mins regularly. It's just that people are getting it constantly and it can drive you crazy. If I want to farm Lore I would just do Sohr Khai and probably Lost City. If I wanted to farm for gear drops for seals I would do Neverreap and Fractal for the double gear drops. Level 60 roulette, on the other hand, sucks, cause I have no issue getting slammed into any other dungeons in that thing. I don't mind helping someone clear Neverreap or running through that with someone else who is on a seal hunt. But ARF makes me want to punch something. I don't want to help eso hunters cause I am not an eso hunter and I do not care about mine or their eso.

Also, of course the idea is selfish. It's entire design is based around making a piece of content more pleasant to the individual player. My experience would be improved by never running ARF ever again, but also being able to run the other dungeons in the roulette and get the daily bonus. Someone else's may be improved by never running Neverreap, or Sastasha. Yes, people may just drop on other ones they don't like, but when someone is so damn rage-filled over that one dungeons that they can now ignore, they are generally going to be more tolerant of the others, cause they know they never have to run the thing they hate.

And, as others have said, when a Tank or Healer drops at the start, you could be screwed for a long time, or have to give up. And when a part of the game gets so frustrating that you would rather screw over 3 other people, every day, and take the penalty every day, rather than run said content, 20 minutes or no, then that is a problem. People want to run the roulette for the bonus. They do not want to run the same dungeon every day for a week solid. I have had Tanks insta-leave. I have had Healers insta-leave. And quite frankly, I'm going to be turning into one of those asshole Healers that sees Aethero and leaves. If that is the only way we can keep telling SE that there is something wrong with their roulette system, then that's what I'm going to do. It's not a roulette when it's the same thing every time.