wouldnt a token system for the 24 man raids be better?

[Kallera]

Can you come up with a better system?

Here are the two required core characteristics:
a) Content will be run multiple times
b) Same rewards for same effort, which equals set effort for set reward

Have fun brainstorming something up.

1. side quest akin to the archmagus quest.
2. a sub objective that is chosen from a series of role objectives when the duty is run again after clearing. these ojective can be performance related stuff, or based it on participation like a tuned up version of FATEs.

I'd rather stick with what we have now or something sompletely different, then go though yet another batch of token to run through again and again.

[Zojha]

1. side quest akin to the archmagus quest.

Which, uhm...drops 3 tokens into your quest inventory to be redeemed. The latter might cause people to get the respective items too quickly, but that depends. Kudos for that one.

@Tsarra
I'm afraid you make it obvious you don't understand what token systems are nor how they work, so I feel it's a little pointless to address you further. Sorry.

[Kallera]

Which, uhm...drops 3 tokens into your quest inventory to be redeemed. The latter might cause people to get the respective items too quickly, but that depends. Kudos for that one.

@Tsarra
I'm afraid you make it obvious you don't understand what token systems are nor how they work, so I feel it's a little pointless to address you further. Sorry.

if duplicated exactly, include the items(or craft items) and you have something different.

This "thing to trade in at like its a carnival" is what I want to avoid. make it simpler as an actual side quest or more involved with crafting, but not what it is now.

[LaylaTsarra]

@Tsarra
I'm afraid you make it obvious you don't understand what token systems are nor how they work, so I feel it's a little pointless to address you further. Sorry.

Oh sure I don't know. Make it easy to simply your point by trying to imply people don't understand tokens. Got it.

[Zojha]

Oh sure I don't know. Make it easy to simply your point by trying to imply people don't understand tokens. Got it.

You are equating token systems with instantly or even quickly getting something. When you consider that the third anima step, Coming into its Own, runs on a dual token system for all but treasure maps, that is simply an immensely ignorant statement that shows a glaring lack of understanding of the system.

[LaylaTsarra]

You are equating token systems with instantly or even quickly getting something. When you consider that the third anima step, Coming into its Own, runs on a dual token system for all but treasure maps, that is simply an immensely ignorant statement that shows a glaring lack of understanding of the system.

Oh really. I have 5 relics and am about to get my 240 this afternoon. I know all about working hard to earn something. I also know about people who want to dumb the system down to make it easier for them so they don't have to work so hard. Don't preach to me about being ignorant. I fully understand where the op and others are coming from who would like tokens for everything. Simply make it easier for them to get what they want.

[Zojha]

I fully understand where the op and others are coming from who would like tokens for everything.

You are showing on every turn that you don't.

I'll just take from this that you hate fairness and rewards justified by effort, rather than luck. I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree there.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I fully understand where the op and others are coming from who would like tokens for everything. Simply make it easier for them to get what they want.

No, you really don't.

For example, you and I both are dying to get our hands on the Weeping City healing chest. You got yours on your second run of the very first week the raid was available. I'm here, three weeks later, after many, many clears. I still don't have mine. Guess what, I've worked a lot harder than you did for said item, yet you're claiming I just want to be handed something.

[LaylaTsarra]

No, you really don't.

For example, you and I both are dying to get our hands on the Weeping City healing chest. You got yours on your second run of the very first week the raid was available. I'm here, three weeks later, after many, many clears. I still don't have mine. Guess what, I've worked a lot harder than you did for said item, yet you're claiming I just want to be handed something.

Oh I'd like the caster chest. I don't have it yet. So what I'll get it eventually. There are tons of other drops I can get there that my main and alternate roles can use.

Using the logic here I suppose i should get a token for a shaft everytime I run M4 too cause then I'd have a token for a token given my RNG based rolls won't hurt so much right? How many times does one have to run M4 to get that shaft? Some might run it once, others might run it 20 or 30 times. Guess what it's the same with a drop in Weeping City. The whole idea of dungeon content is to get people running it because they want something. They want it enough to run it over and over again. That isn't a bad thing.