Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Malicewolf]

If he wouldn't listen to her suggestion about shield oath, the most basic part of pld tanking next to flash (which he also never used to help) what makes you think he would have followed something as complex as positioning?

You never know what people will listen to and what they'll ignore. And not saying they were wrong to be frustrated when not being listened to, but also think they made too many assumptions as a mentor in the first place. Mentor's are meant to guide and teach. Patience is kinda on the job description. While it's great to get those energetic players who will listen to what you say, you're going to run into twice as many who don't give a care. Teacher's can't exactly kick a student out of school because they don't listen (unless they literally did something wrong). Yes frustrating, but the other newbies had to suffer as well. In a normal DF, I'd say right call. In a mentor roulette, i'd say a bit quick to jump ship. She literally signed up and queued for a roulette with potentially inexperienced players.

It's not that I don't feel bad for the situation. It's that I think those who sign up to be a mentor need thicker skin. You literally signed up for helping out a few good students and a majority of those who don't care.

[raela]

And here I am, struggling to find people who speak my first language Dx Were are you fellow hispanics?!

Cactuar has a large population.

For my trial roulette, battle on the big bridge with two tanks who did not want to tank. Both wars, one with defiance, one without. Defiance tank says "go?" in party, someone points out he has tank stance up, he responds, "yeah, defiance, so?" and does not pull. So, I pulled boss on DRG and he eventually took aggro. He stood around after, so I pulled mobs and lost two to healer aggro.. Tanks proceeded to do nothing while me and two other DPS killed the next group, then we returned to kill the first group. I had to pull the boss again, too...

[Oatmealraisin]

Hit the leveling roulette with my level 17 arcanist, got Tam-Tara.

Our tank is... not the best. Facepulls everything, can't hold aggro. The healer tries giving him some advice but he doesn't respond. Finally healer gets fed up and leaves halfway through. Tank continues blundering around, I get myself killed trying to heal him, and at this point I realize... I'm a mf'ing arcanist. I don't need a tank.

One Topaz Carbuncle later, I am now the self-appointed tank AND healer and... it works! The marauder is happily DPS-ing away, the lancer just does her thing, and we even make it through the final boss without wiping. It may be an easy dungeon, but I'm not very good at arcanist so I felt pretty accomplished.

The funniest part was that we got a replacement healer when the boss was nearly dead, and all he got to do was stand outside the room and watch me and the lancer slowly slowly whittle down that last 10%, while the marauder lay around waiting for me to combat rez him. xD

[PharisHanasaki]

Cactuar has a large population.

I think there are many of us scattered across all servers, but we tend to go into hiding and playing solo or with close friends.


Which reminds me of one time where my sister and I queued up for the Level 50 dungeons roulette, I was healing and she was dpsing. Got paired with a tank and another dps who after exchanging greetings proceeded to speak in Spanish. My sister and I both were startled, but before asking were they were from, we simply butt in their conversation, replying in Spanish as well. I remember after that there was silence for like 20 seconds. Then the tank asks: 'You speak Spanish too?'. 'Yeah, we're from Mexico, we're sisters'. He joked about how he liked to confuse 'gringos' (americans) by typing in Spanish in the party chat xD We had a really fun run after that.

I still believe that was one of the best times I had while doing the roulette. They were from Gilgamesh, sadly

[Snugglebutt]

Ran final steps of faith yesterday for first time, first attempt we wiped but cleared it on second. I thought to myself, okay not too bad even though didn't clear first attempt but was surprised to see one of the tanks (after finished watching the trial ending cutscene) had left the message to the group "I hope you never clear EX mode". This wasn't a farm group, it wasn't a group with everyone having high ilvls (even I only was 1 ilvl above the minimum requirement), it was a DF group and it did get cleared on second attempt so I felt that comment was a little rude and out of place. Also ran sohm kali for first time same day and for 3 out of the 4 people there it was their first time, wiped once and cleared on second try but the amount of abuse and rude messages after just that one wipe was extreme to say the least.

[ShadowAshenstone]

Lvl 50 roulette. Tam Tara hard.
get a PLD with Sword Oath.
Party members let him know to switch to shield.
No repsonse.
3 of us collectively agree to let him die. Finally switches to shield.
Still no response from tank.
Continue the dungeon.
Cant hold aggro. >,>
Still no response.
Get to a boss.
Tank uses Sprint.
/facepalm

[PharisHanasaki]

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This is becoming more common, and I've got no idea why.
I've been running the Final Steps of Faith everyday at least twice to help clear, and I try to keep everyone motivated if we do wipe (usually at dps check after which I nicely let them know it's okay to lb the third add).

Yesterday I had a party that consisted of mostly new people, or people who hadn't yet cleared. We almost beat it on the first try, but it took us a couple more.
After beating it everyone was in such high spirits, and some commented on how cool this fight was. THIS is why I keep going back in ;o;

It's not always like this, I also had this one healer leave in one party after the first wipe, even though I had to raise HER more than once. Another where the party kicked a dragoon because 'he was the reason we weren't clearing adds', but I can say that wasn't all there was as we couldn't even bring 2 of them down. And many, many more. I still enjoy the fight and hope it never gets nerfed > People complain there isn't enough 'hardcore' content, when they don't want to deal with simple fights like this. We're fighting Nidhogg, it's not supposed to be easy to kill him and end a 1000 year war.

[raela]

I think there are many of us scattered across all servers, but we tend to go into hiding and playing solo or with close friends.

Oh, I meant that Cactuar has several large hispanic guilds, in addition to the random scatter of people. The one I'm in has about 150 members (and regularly does activity prunes for people who haven't logged in months), and pulls in new players from time to time. I also see Spanish in shout from time to time.

Not having official Spanish support (no language flag) I think makes it difficult. It's hard to organize any sort of community when Spanish posts get locked on the official forums.

I don't generally see much beyond basic greetings in DF, though I've had some pleasant PF surprises before~

[Malicewolf]

i come home and try to enter Weeping City of Mhach because i still haven't gotten the drop I want. Apparently today is a bad day xD

I've now entered 5 instances in progress that the teams couldn't get past the 1st or 2nd boss and upon my entering, the vote abandon goes through T_T
I've been online for less than 30 mine!! Seriously, wtf.

[Miste]

Did you explain those mechanics to the team? My very first though in that dungeon in PF is to make sure everyone knows to stand in crystal light. Practically don't even need to heal at all when you are xD

I understand the frustration of a tank being in DPS stance instead of tank and not listening, but it also seems like you didn't really give the necessary info to the party as well. Maybe you did and just didn't mention it, but I feel as a mentor, your priority should be teaching and guiding the party with information and reasoning. I mean, you're a mentor... mentor's teach and guide. Saying "standing in the purple light of crystals will give you a huge defensive buff" and "watch out for the eye flying around, he will deal massive damage if you aren't in the crystal light" seem like pretty quick ways to guide. If they don't listen after that, then yea... can't really do much more. But it kinda seemed like you just expected them to know.

Maybe you don't need to heal when the tank is using their proper Tank Stance, but this one wasn't. Even if they stood in the crystal they would have took massive damage and their gear was 10 ilevels lower than the dungeon we were in. It's easy to make claims like that when you weren't actually there experiencing it.

The tank honestly moved too fast through the dungeon for me to type much they would have killed themselves. I didn't mention everything in my post since it was already quite long and I felt it was unimportant, but since you feel I didn't do enough I'll explain.

By the time we got to the first crystal stuff I had no time to type it I had to heal otherwise the tank would die (before we got to the first one I didn't know they didn't know). The DPS knew to stand in the crystal so they weren't dying but the tank almost did because they stood just outside of it. I healed and kept them alive when we killed those I typed in "wait" in the chat quickly but the tank just ran off ahead. I had to sprint to keep up so they wouldn't die. I found this less important than them not listening to me trying to help them do their job so I didn't put it in the already long post.

After this the rest happened, way too fast for me to type to go into the crystal. I have to heal immediately. Have you personally played healers very often? You don't have time to type when people are getting hit really hard and when you take hate on 6 mobs and have to heal yourself. You have to make a decision; try your best to do your job with the circumstances or let everyone die while you type out they are doing it wrong. I chose to keep them alive so that I could maybe talk to them again after. The tank is controlling the flow of the dungeon, not me, therefore I can barely get time to type. I knew the switches you have to stand in them so I waited for that to get an opportunity.

The tank was not doing his job in the dungeon. I was tank as a WHM. So I tried to help them by explaining first the basics of tanking at 40+ not to mention after that there is no more crystal stuff just the boss and I had hoped they would stop so I could help and give them "the necessary info" as you call it. Which they never stopped long enough to let me. Even at the boss I got no response. If they had responded I'd be glad to help them as I said in my post. They just kept going, not letting me type much more than quick sentences. I then said their name in chat with a ? after it and still they ran off into the boss room.

You never know what people will listen to and what they'll ignore. And not saying they were wrong to be frustrated when not being listened to, but also think they made too many assumptions as a mentor in the first place. Mentor's are meant to guide and teach. Patience is kinda on the job description.

You also made assumptions about me right in your posts. I did not assume what a mentor is. I know what a mentor is which is why I tried many times to get the tank to stop and to listen to what I was saying. I feel bad that the other DPS had to wait for a new healer but in my eyes this was the tank's fault for completely ignoring their healer who was struggling because they wouldn't stop or listen. Completely ignored me the whole time I was there.

You assume I am not patient. I have mentored players through EX primals which is a lot more difficult than a level 44 dungeon. You wanna know why I was successful? They gave me time to type out and explain mechanics and tried their best to listen.

I have queued mentor roulette and help mentor 5 people to a clear in Garuda EX. After wiping 8 times we cleared. I think I am just fine at helping mentor people. If they let me. If you really think I didn't try that's fine but you weren't there and you have a bad habit of making assumptions about me. If you felt the need to claim I am a bad mentor maybe you could have asked me to elaborate first instead of making claims.

Teacher's can't exactly kick a student out of school because they don't listen (unless they literally did something wrong). Yes frustrating, but the other newbies had to suffer as well. In a normal DF, I'd say right call. In a mentor roulette, i'd say a bit quick to jump ship. She literally signed up and queued for a roulette with potentially inexperienced players. It's that I think those who sign up to be a mentor need thicker skin. You literally signed up for helping out a few good students and a majority of those who don't care.

My skin is just fine thanks see above ^. Also you cannot compare this to being a teacher in school. It's a MMO teamwork game not IRL education. So if there are students who don't care it ruins it for the rest unfortunately and there isn't anything we can do about this because half the time this student who doesn't care will make it impossible for the group to clear the content.

In my opinion you are part of the problem. You are quick to blame the mentor (even if they tried to make the run work) instead of putting the blame where it really belongs. In the hands of the student who doesn't care and expects people in a team effort environment to put forth 160% effort to make up for their lack of effort to even listen when a mentor is trying to help them. If they had answered me or even attempted to try to learn from me I would have slowly worked through that dungeon assisting them in any way I could. Yet you come and post that I am the problem. Shows why there are not many mentors actually bothering to help people. There is always someone quick to blame the mentor for anything and everything that goes wrong.