House flipping is 100% confirmed against ToS, send vegetable naysayers to this thread

[Dimitrii]

People want to complain and moan about lack of housing but then this is what their complaints do since I wont risk a ban by being reported by the housing warriors out there nor am I going to take gillions in loss when I can ride out reclamation and get 80% back. So you can go without your house while we sit on these empty ones. Thanks!

The player base cares about your ability to recoup your gil that you spent about as much you care about the player base's housing dilemma. Just be glad you are even able to get any gil back at all via reclamation. Thanks!

[AnimaAnimus]

The player base cares about your ability to recoup your gil that you spent about as much you care about the player base's housing dilemma. Just be glad you are even able to get any gil back at all via reclamation. Thanks!

lol the thing is I would gladly sell for 80% what I paid. Not out to make a profit. But you can go without your house cause of the urgent need to report honest players. Thanks!

[Avera]

lol the thing is I would gladly sell for 80% what I paid. Not out to make a profit. But you can go without your house cause of the urgent need to report honest players. Thanks!

Lol...I atleast wont report an honest player :T I did recently get my house cuz of a kind soul like you who sold it for its actual freakin price =3=

[Dimitrii]

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You willingly purchased the house knowing at the time there was no refund mechanic available nor was there a guarentee of one being instituted in the future, only a vague statement about the possibility of adding a moving function later on. No one forced you to spend your gil on the house so I'm sorry but no one cares about whether or not you get your gil back should you decide you don't want it. It's not the responsibility of other players to recoup your losses by paying for anything over the maximum price the house would have otherwise cost had the land been relinquished or not owned in the first place. I bought my medium house long ago, way before this patch came out and nerfed it's price, but even so I dont expect to see that 40 mil I paid back nor am I gonna whine and cry about it like anyone would care. 6 mil or whatever depreciated value for that small house means so much to you then by all means wait the 45 days for reclamation.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Well house was in PF today and stayed in for the maximum duration. Even though I still believe you should be able to sell house as long as it's not a stupid price, I reported the person out of curiosity. The house for sale remained in PF for the full duration and nothing was done. Also there was no price on the listing. The player also moved around various areas and was never in gaol as I kept checking whilst I was doing a load of crafts.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Adding more wards doesn't solve the problem though. It's basically putting a band aid on a gun shot wound.

They added wards 2 weeks ago has the housing situation changed at all. Nope.

Did it change last time they added wards? Nope.

Next time? Unlikely.

Well, my comment was in reply to the person saying it should be in every major update, that I'm sure some would say that it shouldn't be restricted to just major updates.

[MomomiMomi]

No one forced you to spend your gil on the house so I'm sorry but no one cares about whether or not you get your gil back should you decide you don't want it.

And that's one less house on the market. They don't care if I can get my gil back? I don't care if they can get a house.

Much good that's doing.

[A-Ruhn-Senna]

StouterTaru is absolutely correct. House Flipping is a symptom of the actual problem -- limited and utter lack of housing (especially on more popular servers such as mine). Along with the inability for an in-system way to sell your house back to the community.

I do think it's a bit unfair that there are those whose sole intention is to monopolize the housing market and re-sell at quadruple the original price, however penalizing ALL players for the actions of a few is even more unfair.

I'm not particularly worried though. It seems to me they're targeting those who re-sell at 'enormous' prices, which is the only way I can see it breaking the Disruption rule.

[A-Ruhn-Senna]

And that's one less house on the market. They don't care if I can get my gil back? I don't care if they can get a house.

Much good that's doing.

Pretty much this. I don't see the problem with this. If anything, I see the compensation for the plot as an incentive to relinquish the land to someone who has more use for it.

I know several people who've bought houses long ago and don't really do anything with them, but won't relinquish the plot because of all the gil they originally invested into it. Is this disruptive as well?

[Myon88]

House Flipping is a symptom of the actual problem -- limited and utter lack of housing (especially on more popular servers such as mine). Along with the inability for an in-system way to sell your house back to the community.

I don't see how an in-game system would change anything. Houses are only selling for, for example, 50 million because people are willing to pay 50 million for them. If no one is interested in buying at that price, given enough time the sellers will lower it until someone bites. It's the classic interaction between demand and supply.

You might actually say that the exorbitant prices people pay right now are the real 'true' value of these houses as a result. Because there are only 2160 plots on a server of 50,000 people, people are willing to pay 50 million for them. If there were 10000 wards on that same server, perhaps they might go for 15 million at most. On some low population servers, default plots are still unsold to this day. It's the same reason you'd pay several million dollars for a shoebox apartment in NYC or London, while the same amount will get you an entire estate in the rural country.

If you set the in-game system up so that houses could not be sold through it for more than the original plot price, then transactions will just move to the grey market (aka "Trade me 45 million gold first before I list this plot on the market board"). The reason for this is that the real value of the house is a lot closer to 50 million, and that value will find some way to manifest itself no matter how the transaction occurs.

Ultimately this is a problem that will never go away as long as housing is so limited - the value of something is always going to be proportional to how scarce of a resource it is. I think they're sort of hoping apartments will make enough people happy that the problem will go away - I'm personally not that optimistic.