I will never understand why people kill fruits in AV

[Kaurie]

There were people who would queue with a partial party into the DF, clear the first room, and then leave. It's one of the reasons why we have a time penalty on leaving a duty now.

Wow that is lame for sure.

Excuse me but...knowing there is a potential that you may run into something you dont like by using roulette..why you using it ? ...I remind you that roulettes are there to help those that cant find groups to fullfill the spot or what not and it offers an incentive...I would suggest to you NO to queue for that type of roulette that way you dont have to be miserable....kind of silly to make yourself miserable and then complain about how miserable you are for something you choose yourself lol

Heh I don't need condescending posts such as this. I am fully aware of how a roulette works and what the point of it is.

On top of that, by killing the seedlings before they spawn, you're not doing the dungeon "wrong" or anything. So, you're doing what you signed up for. The ones complaining are the ones like the OP who are mad that people killed the seedlings, so by extension of your logic, these people should not have queued for roulette - where a variety of playstyles are present - if they are going to complain about conflicting playstyles.

As for the second part of your question, I never complained about making myself miserable. If you are in reference to my post, I was simply answering the question of the OP - which is not a complaint. If you are talking about actions in dungeon, I went with the majority votes system and killed/didn't kill them as decided by the group.

It is unfortunate though, dungeons are ingrained in this game pretty heavily, but I only really enjoy about half of them. I do really love dungeons as a system though, it's what first got me in to MMO's

Actually, my analogy SPECIFICALLY refers to you, then, as someone who is efficient and hates waste. Killing the seedlings along with the Gold Vines is a very efficient way of gaining XP, and if you're leveling and leave it behind, it's wasteful. It's also comparable to your claim that you can do several fates in less than two minutes that yields 120k. Pardon my skepticism, because I really don't believe your claim. Tell me exactly what fates you ground for that xp, and I'm going to try it for myself. What jobs did you and your friend run? And even if we can replicate your results, I GUARANTEE you it's still faster to just kill the seedlings while you're in the dungeon than it is to wrap up the dungeon early, teleport to Al Mhigo and ride down to that area to begin those fates. And sorry, but if you can't spare the two minutes to let people who are leveling have that extra xp, then you're just being incredibly impatient and selfish.

I have said quite a few times that killing seedlings may be slightly faster (depending on group comp in both dungeon and in fate party, and the RNG factor of which fates spawn and so on), but that the time difference is not so huge that it is worth you wasting other peoples time. They are not doing the dungeon "wrong" by killing seedlings, they're just doing the dungeon to a way that you don't want. I would have a much bigger understanding about this complaint against the 'sac' method of Aurum Vale, but to kill a handful of mobs and gain what is it (15 mobs?) x 3000 vs 15 x 300 = 45,000 vs 450, so a loss of 40k exp or slightly less than two fates?

As for my story, this wasn't a regular occurrence for sure. I don't really have any need for you to believe me, and I do not have a recording. That said, to answer your question: I do find fate farming in Southern Than to be quite quick overall. It's been awhile, I can't remember what fates tbh, but my friend was a DRG. I can't remember which job I was leveling, hmm. I think would have been after my SMN/SCH, and I only have BLM/WHM/PLD leveled to 60, and I think this was before I leveled my BLM. I am guessing WHM, but I can't say for certain. I only remember this because I was astonished with how fast we gained exp. I do believe we were also level 50 and well geared, so at 49 you would do less damage.

In terms of your waste analogy, I am not sure why you keep bringing this back. I am someone who is very efficient and finds the most optimal way to level. That means if I see that running X dungeon gives me 400k exp and takes 40 minutes, or I can run Y fates and gain 420k exp in 35 minutes (random numbers for arguments sake atm), then I will go with the fates. I'll test and measure precisely how much time and reward is given for various options and choose the most optimal path. However, I also do consider who I am with and if I am wasting their time. I won't waste someone else's time by 3 minutes to save me 5 minutes. In real life, with your analogy about driving across town to save money etc, that is the opposite of how I work. I will always go for the closest gas station to where I am when I need it. That is, unless, I am already driving across town and have the gas to spare - where I will then find the cheapest point en route and choose that option.

[JustPlainLucas]

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People shouldn't be mad that other people are wasting their exp in a LEVELING roulette? You need to buck up when you que for a LEVELING roulette and prepare to help people when they're running exp. If you don't want your runs slowed down, there other ways to earn tomestones without impacting others people's experiences. Just flipping your own logic right back at you.

I do not doubt that FATE running in that area is pretty quick, and now that you mentioned you were 50 and well geared, that makes all the sense now. At 49, I do believe it would be impossible to match that exp in the time frame we discussed, so let's just drop that part.

I keep bringing up the analogy because you simply aren't getting it. You say you always go to the closest gas station, right? So if you're leveling and are in a dungeon, why would you pass the closest gas station to you (the seedling exp) to then wrap up the dungeon and travel down to the gas station across town (teleporting to Little Al Mhigo, riding your chocobo to South Thanlan fates). It's not a waste of time when someone else can benefit from that time, you get me? If you kill the fruits, you may save yourself time, but you WASTE THEIR TIME. You WASTE THEIR EXP. By having to teleport down to Southern Thanalan, traveling to the fates and doing them, you have WASTED any kind of efficiency you thought you gained by skipping over the fruits. Do you get it now? I cannot paint this picture any plainer than this.

[Kaurie]

People shouldn't be mad that other people are wasting their exp in a LEVELING roulette? You need to buck up when you que for a LEVELING roulette and prepare to help people when they're running exp. If you don't want your runs slowed down, there other ways to earn tomestones without impacting others people's experiences. Just flipping your own logic right back at you.


I do not doubt that FATE running in that area is pretty quick, and now that you mentioned you were 50 and well geared, that makes all the sense now. At 49, I do believe it would be impossible to match that exp in the time frame we discussed, so let's just drop that part.

I keep bringing up the analogy because you simply aren't getting it. You say you always go to the closest gas station, right? So if you're leveling and are in a dungeon, why would you pass the closest gas station to you (the seedling exp) to then wrap up the dungeon and travel down to the gas station across town (teleporting to Little Al Mhigo, riding your chocobo to South Thanlan fates). It's not a waste of time when someone else can benefit from that time, you get me? If you kill the fruits, you may save yourself time, but you WASTE THEIR TIME. You WASTE THEIR EXP. By having to teleport down to Southern Thanalan, traveling to the fates and doing them, you have WASTED any kind of efficiency you thought you gained by skipping over the fruits. Do you get it now? I cannot paint this picture any plainer than this.

I never said that people shouldn't be mad. Though, I wouldn't use the word mad, I prefer frustrated. I think that having conflicting values, priorities and interests will naturally result in player frustration. My response was in turning @MeiUshu's flawed logic back around to them.

I can't say that I ever do Aurum Vale or leveling roulette for tomestones though. Personally, I just find that killing the seedlings is an insignificant exp boost - and I'd rather go through quickly and requeue for it again or something else to gain that boost. The exp/minute of those seedlings is pretty small compared to the many other options for gaining exp out there (i.e. leveling roulette bonus, main scenario bonus, 50 bonus, challenge logs etc.)

For FATE farming, I'd love to test and compare, but I do not have any jobs at 49 and have no interest in leveling my sub 49 jobs at this time (MCH, MNK, WAR, DRK).

The analogy doesn't make sense because it is a different situation, completely. You don't get gas with a group of 3 other people who all have equal right to leadership (i.e. in a car with 3 people, the driver has control) with different priorities, I mean it makes 0 sense.

In terms of killing the fruits, I get that some time may be lost if the fruits are killed - heck as I said I even kill them when asked - but I think complaining on the forum about people who don't is ridiculous. One party's time is going to be wasted one way or another. Whether that is Party A who wants to kill before hatching or Party B who doesn't. Both parties will lose a precious ~2 minutes of their life, heaven forbid. Personally, I think that it is not very efficient for exping to kill them, but I can see how one might. What I don't get is why we are spending more time debating this on the official forum than the time lost for killing them.

[JustPlainLucas]

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Again, I'm saying if the xp is there and takes an extremely small amount of time to kill (seriously, the tank aggros the fruit while he grabs Gold Vine, then grabs the seedlings while they hatch and everything gets killed at the same time), take it. Again, the analogy makes perfect sense in this situation. You are telling other people, who are already there and can benefit from that exp THAT'S ALREADY THERE, that they can't have it and should go teleport to another zone and fate farm to make up the different. That's just a shitty attitude, I'm sorry. I'm done.

[Kaurie]

Again, I'm saying if the xp is there and takes an extremely small amount of time to kill (seriously, the tank aggros the fruit while he grabs Gold Vine, then grabs the seedlings while they hatch and everything gets killed at the same time), take it. Again, the analogy makes perfect sense in this situation. You are telling other people, who are already there and can benefit from that exp THAT'S ALREADY THERE, that they can't have it and should go teleport to another zone and fate farm to make up the different. That's just a shitty attitude, I'm sorry. I'm done.

I guess my main issue is that your entire point is incredibly hypocritical and antagonistic and you fail to recognize this or accept that it could be a possibility.

You also make it sound like teleporting to another zone and downing a fate is a huge deal. It's about as much effort as killing a few hatched seedlings.

[JustPlainLucas]

I guess my main issue is that your entire point is incredibly hypocritical and antagonistic and you fail to recognize this or accept that it could be a possibility.

You also make it sound like teleporting to another zone and downing a fate is a huge deal. It's about as much effort as killing a few hatched seedlings.

And there we go! So don't suggest to people who want the extra exp that they should go somewhere else to make up the difference when, as you said, takes about as much effort as killing what's already there. Thank you for finally understanding!

[Kaurie]

And there we go! So don't suggest to people who want the extra exp that they should go somewhere else to make up the difference when, as you said, takes about as much effort as killing what's already there. Thank you for finally understanding!

I am finding it really difficult to have an adult and engaging discussion with you. I feel that you are purposefully mis-reading every one of my posts and taking 1 thing away from it to address. It's a little infuriating, so I'm going to try to make this my last post.

I'll attempt to add on to what you said here. If you acknowledge that Action A = Action B in effort and in reward, but Action A results in wasting someone else's time and Action B does not result in wasting someone else's time, then logically Action B is the superior choice. Logically, one would only choose option A if they either i) did not care about other people, or ii) did not recognize that Action A = Action B. I could be wrong, but those are the only logical conclusions that I can come up with given the listed scenario. Therefore, if you are still supporting Action A, AND you recognize that they take equal effort, then the only logical conclusion is you don't care about people.

[TankHunter678]

I guess my main issue is that your entire point is incredibly hypocritical and antagonistic and you fail to recognize this or accept that it could be a possibility.

You also make it sound like teleporting to another zone and downing a fate is a huge deal. It's about as much effort as killing a few hatched seedlings.

Actually it takes longer to complete then just killing the seedlings already there. Teleporting to a region and riding out to the fate takes a couple minutes in itself, and soloing most fates can take upwards of 5 minutes by itself since not every server is going to have a horde of people running around the zones of that level speed farming fates.