I will never understand why people kill fruits in AV

[Mykll]

Oh I love AV. Just 2 days ago I hit level 60 on my DRK in there. That made my final tank of the three to level up from 47 to 60 in AV runs alone (ok, sure, there were Job quest exp, new player bonus exp, etc.). Why? Because nobody else would dare, I live in dungeons, love AV, help people get through it, and maybe I get some materia out of the deal, too.

When leveling a DPS I ask for full clears. Full stop. I often times have to wait between 20-30+ minutes to even GET a run. Spending some extra time in the dungeon getting as much exp out of it I can is worth the extra 5-10 min in the dungeon itself. When leveling a tank I do semi full clears unless full clear is requested (locked room with only 1 mob inside and a crafting related item inside? Fuck that, especially Dezemael Darkhold). I do not care as much on healer cause I still get fast ques.

Yep why I partly help. If I see ANYONE below 50, I will ask what kind of run they want. Full clear or not? Pods spawn for more exp or not? I see new person bonus, anyone not know boss fights? Sometimes even the above level 50 people will want a non-full clear, but let the pods spawn.

AV is an ugly 1.0 dumpster fire of a dungeon that nobody wants to be in.

Anyone who says otherwise is a case study in that unique form of Stockholm Syndrome specific to certain kinds of MMORPG players.

I guess I can be in that study. I love the place, and whish there were more careful pulling dungeons like it.

AV is awesome. It's one of the few places where heal-over-time heals can reach their full potential, where tanks get to practice careful pulling and dps can practice their burst (seeds on last boss). It's basic stuff but a wake-up call for many.

It really makes or breaks the tanks when it comes to smart pulling. ... We need more dungeons like AV!

It is really sad (again, I live in dungeons, so I leveled everything 47-50 in there) so when I was not a tank, it was really sad to see a lot of tanks either fumble around trying to pull, or flat out quit before trying, or have a crappy pull of way too many and then rage quit after. But then, in EQ days, I mainly played monk, enchanter, and bard, who were all 3 really good at pulling. I am glad to see some spots of good careful pulling in this game.

This kind of thinking is seriously asinine. You are already there. You are killing Gold Vines and should be killing the seedlings along with it, but instead, you'd rather exit the dungeon, run around the map looking mobs to hunt, find fates (and at this point of the game, they aren't being ran very much at that level) or ... even run the ENTIRE dungeon again? You really need to understand that amount of exp is attainable by spending just a few extra minutes in AV. You WILL NOT get that much exp that quickly from fates or any other leveling method.

Yeah with long queues of DPS, or even sometimes healer, or sometimes tank, I'd rather squeak out a little more exp in a run, knowing that as a DPS perhaps after 15-20 minutes I am back to sitting in queue and it could be a 30 minute wait. Would rather max out my exp per run, so that I would run them less, and thus less time waiting in queue. But again, I live in dungeons and hate the Fate / Hunt zergs.

[MomomiMomi]

This kind of thinking is seriously asinine. You are already there. You are killing Gold Vines and should be killing the seedlings along with it, but instead, you'd rather exit the dungeon, run around the map looking mobs to hunt, find fates (and at this point of the game, they aren't being ran very much at that level) or ... even run the ENTIRE dungeon again? You really need to understand that amount of exp is attainable by spending just a few extra minutes in AV. You WILL NOT get that much exp that quickly from fates or any other leveling method.

I honestly hate being stuck in a dungeon. Too restricting. I like the freedom of being out in the open world. There's a hunt? I can stop getting exp and go for it. My gathering nodes are about to pop? Yeah, I could use a break from killing stuff. Someone needs something crafted? You get the idea.

It's not like I'm in a rush to level up either. I usually level entirely through leveling roulette to minimize the amount of dungeons I do, with FATEs while waiting for queue.

[Kaurie]

I think this same argument is fairly applied to darkhold "first room farms". Sure it's nice exp, but you're wasting someone else's time just so you can spam kill enemies for a little extra. What's worse is in that level range fates are favorable due the fact people still farm North Than like bots.

In a first room farm, everyone in the party signed up to farm. No one held a group hostage to farm (or if they did they were idiots and disrespectful as well).

This kind of thinking is seriously asinine. You are already there. You are killing Gold Vines and should be killing the seedlings along with it, but instead, you'd rather exit the dungeon, run around the map looking mobs to hunt, find fates (and at this point of the game, they aren't being ran very much at that level) or ... even run the ENTIRE dungeon again? You really need to understand that amount of exp is attainable by spending just a few extra minutes in AV. You WILL NOT get that much exp that quickly from fates or any other leveling method.

Yes, you are already there and you kill stuff quickly and get told off for it, so that someone can get a little bit more exp. You slow down the run for 4 people, where not all 4 people want it slowed down, so that less than 4 of you can get a bit more exp. Where those people could actually just queue up again, go fate farming or do one of the many things available to gain exp quickly. The amount of exp that you are losing is not really that significant. Each one is what 3k or so? So like 7-10 = a fate? I mean, at most you're trek to 60 is slowed down by 5 minutes or so. It's hardly worth wasting other peoples time for and definitely not worth making an entire forum thread about it.

In the time it took me to make my 3 posts on this thread, I could have done several fates, killed several hatched mobs or many other things. That's how insignificant it is.

In regards to your last sentence, this greatly depends on your skill level and game knowledge I guess. As mentioned, me and 1 other person ploughed through fates and in Southern Than for faster exp than in AV. There are plenty of other options available as well.

Seriously though, with leveling roulette bonus, you're 50 from 49 in like 1 run of AV, so what is the big deal?>

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Sometimes id rather get out of a dungeon 10-15 mins early and into the next queue when I am on dps.

[JustPlainLucas]

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You remind me of those people who would rather drive across town to save a few cents on a gallon of gas thinking they're saving money when they didn't take into account they were burning money on the way there. My point being is if you're leveling, the EXP is right there. You don't just skip over it thinking it's faster to make up the difference traveling around to fates and hunting for mobs. You simply just don't. It doesn't matter how "skilled" you are. Those fates take time, and several fates need to be done to get close to the 100k exp those seedlings offer. Taking into account the time to travel to them, fight them, and wait for the next to pop, you are NOT matching that exp for that amount of time!

[JustPlainLucas]

Sometimes id rather get out of a dungeon 10-15 mins early and into the next queue when I am on dps.

But why wait for another que? The xp is there! Take it!

[Kaurie]

You remind me of those people who would rather drive across town to save a few cents on a gallon of gas thinking they're saving money when they didn't take into account they were burning money on the way there. My point being is if you're leveling, the EXP is right there. You don't just skip over it thinking it's faster to make up the difference traveling around to fates and hunting for mobs. You simply just don't. It doesn't matter how "skilled" you are. Those fates take time, and several fates need to be done to get close to the 100k exp those seedlings offer. Taking into account the time to travel to them, fight them, and wait for the next to pop, you are NOT matching that exp for that amount of time!

Interesting, that is precisely the opposite kind of person I am. I'm rather efficient and hate waste.

In your analogy specifically, that bothers me, because I am an environmentalist (work for an environmental non-profit org etc.), so that would specifically irritate me.

Despite that, the first part of your argument suffers from Ad hominem logical fallacy.

My point is that if 4 people are in a dungeon and say 2 people are level 49 and want the 3k exp and 2 people are 60, or above 50 or whatever and do not want the exp, then it is better for the 2 people who want exp to just get it on their own after than waste the other 2 people's time. The exp is quite insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

It does matter how 'skilled' you are, as that determines the speed in which you can farm fates. If you can down 10 fates per hour for 200-300k exp, or you can down 40 fates in an hour for 800-1200k exp, that makes a huge difference. I did, specifically, reach 120k in less than 2 minutes farming fates in Southern Than with 1 friend. It can happen, shrug. As a note, higher level fates in Southern Than are quite close together - which reduces the travel time significantly.

[Kaurie]

I'd like to add something, and am putting it on a separate post as it isn't really related to my previous argument.

For me, a big reason why i want to kill fruits and not let them hatch is because I hate Aurum Vale with a passion. If I get it in roulette, I am pretty miserable and do not want to play games to be miserable. I suffer through it because I queued, but I do want out of there as fast as possible.

[Pells]

In a first room farm, everyone in the party signed up to farm. No one held a group hostage to farm (or if they did they were idiots and disrespectful as well).

There were people who would queue with a partial party into the DF, clear the first room, and then leave. It's one of the reasons why we have a time penalty on leaving a duty now.

[Neophyte]

Why is everyone talking about 'couple of minutes'?

There is almost no difference in

• Tanks: Pick hatched ones up, while tanking morbol
• Healer: Single target morbol, bane/holy when eggs hatched // heal
• DPS: Single target morbol, AoE when eggs hatched.

to

• Tank: Tank morbol
• Healer: (Over)Kill eggs first, then Morbol // heal
• DPS: (Over)Kill eggs first, then Morbol

Want to save time? Do one smart ranged/mage lb at a pile of adds, instead of wasting it on coincounter or some other boss. Mysteriously i neither see that, when queuing as non-SMN, nor someone suggesting it.