Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[FinaSel]

Forgive me for this question, but isn't this how that boss is supposed to be done? I haven't done CC for ages so no idea if mechanics changed, but I used to kite all adds the Princess spawned around the edge of the arena and tank & dps focused on the boss. Whenever dps and/or tank tried to get adds' attention things usually turned out either in wipe or a very very slow kill.

I've been in Cutter's Cry a few times as a DPS recently because I am also leveling BLM and often get that dungeon.
I've never seen a healer do that before.

I think if the healer were to pull the adds away from the tank, the tank would get upset. I always thought the general idea for the tank to pick up adds and everyone DPS them down? That's how I've always seen it happen. Maybe different servers / data centers do it differently?

Also, because my group's DPS was just SO low there is no way they would have been able to kill all the adds before my Sprint ran out.

[TankHunter678]

So, on my AST in my most hated dungeon: Dezemael Darkhold.

I have heard about how people who play DRK made a terrible choice in life and how they all suck (my friends/FC mates tell me that I play better then the majority of DRKs).

Today I got to meet one of those DRK. The no cooldowns, does not obey dungeon mechanics, does not listen or even talk type of tank. The kind who would tank the mob packs outside the crystal veil areas... so that the invincible boss will hit them for 1/3rd of their health. The kind of tank who would stop to attack the invinicible boss outside of the boss room. So that he may be smacked in the face for 1/3rd of his health.

He winds up dropping cause after the first crystal patch I thought he got the picture. Standing in the blue field and get major def buff so that healer barely has to heal you at all. Apparently not. So when I get to the 2nd patch of blue... he is not there.

In fact he is dropping dead in the room behind me. As he did not keep going and just stopped right on the pack, got torn apart by the boss wave hitting him for 1/3rd of his health and the hog hitting him with physical vulnerability. The mobs deaggro so instead of giving him weakness I just let him release. He gets back to the others and... they stand there. One of them asks me why I let him drop.

So I proceed to explain how one tanks this section of the dungeon. The BLM then tells me that I am telling him something he already knows because he has all the tank classes at 50. I facepalm at this.

During this conversation mind you I am being smacked by a ranged mob as they wont move unless I run past the mobs that were between me and them and they just stand there taking the 1k hits from the boss flying by. I am flustered, agitated and forget cleric stance on. So they harp on me about being in cleric stance trying to heal. So I just turn off cleric stance. Its going to be one of those runs. We clear the room move onto the next.

The DRK aggros a couple mobs and is melting to them. I heal the DRK because if I dont they will harp on me about letting him drop again. I aggro THE ENTIRE ROOM.

So I run to the crystal field. Cause I can self heal tank the 8 or so mobs smacking me on the crystal field. The DRK proceeds to yank aggro off me... while standing outside of the crystal field. (STILL not using defensive cooldowns) He drops like a rock so the BLM runs away, not to me on the crystal field, and dies. Same with the MNK. I had managed to swiftcast res the DRK. Who yanks aggro off me and proceeds to die standing outside the crystal field as I struggle to keep him alive and the boss nukes his already bad health. So the mobs reaggro onto me.

I just let myself die and then exit the dungeon at my friend's insistence. Since we wiped no penalty for me.

[Kibby]

I was in Haukke Manor as a rogue and everything was fine until we got to the final boss. Everything was going great - everyone even clicked on a lamp (which doesn't sound like much, but the last run I did I had to do all of them because no one else would). Then, the adds came out and before I knew it, the tank and healer had somehow died. I figured we were going to wipe, but I wanted to try and finish it because the boss was at 20% or so. We both manage to kill the adds and I eventually die, and the BLM survives by spamming Blizzard and Physick. I release my body, expecting a wipe, but when I come back to the entrance (which was unfortunately blocked by a door, so we couldn't see anything), he's still alive.

So the rest of us are cheering him on while he's Blizzard/Physicking. This goes on for about five minutes. He uses the Limit Break and the boss dies shortly after. I have to say, it was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.

[Miste]

I've been in Cutter's Cry a few times as a DPS recently because I am also leveling BLM and often get that dungeon.
I've never seen a healer do that before.

I think if the healer were to pull the adds away from the tank, the tank would get upset. I always thought the general idea for the tank to pick up adds and everyone DPS them down? That's how I've always seen it happen. Maybe different servers / data centers do it differently?

Also, because my group's DPS was just SO low there is no way they would have been able to kill all the adds before my Sprint ran out.

I think it differs by Data Center.

On mine no one ever kills the adds on Princess boss. Healer always just kites them usually don't have to for more than 10 seconds and Princess dies if the DPS stay on her. It's sort of a waste to bother killing them but if the healer doesn't know to do that then usually groups just kill them instead. It wasn't really your fault in any case unless they asked you beforehand to do it. You can't expect people to just do something if you don't tell them ahead of time so yeah not your fault even if a lot of players do that method.

You also don't need sprint to kite them, they are slow as heck and do very little damage. I have kited them on every healer class quite a few times. They are so slow you can even stop to heal yourself, but usually Regen is enough or your fairy on SCH.



As for a tale to add. Did Level 60 Roulette and got Lost City Hard with a BRD and a MCH.

The DPS was slow. I can assume it was the MCH because even though the tank pulled two sets at once they never used any AoE abilities. I watched them single target when we had like 6 mobs.. I didn't say anything though because well I usually never do; I just let people play how they play most of the time. With my holy spam the run was going not bad though.

I literally said nothing to my party until we pulled the last boss and the Bard immediately put Ballad on. They did this before on other pulls where I didn't need it but I just let it slide, but using it on the last boss right on pull...and everyone is full MP? I was confused.

I am the only one in the party who uses MP. We had a PLD but PLD doesn't need Flash on a single target so I type out a quick "No one needs MP, you can use Foe's Requiem instead if you want".

This gets me no response from the bard and yet I see them stop attacking as if they were reading or responding but then just goes back to attacking. Well I let them know they were lowering their DPS by 15% for no reason since everyone was full MP. I know in the end it doesn't matter much. We'll still kill the boss but why would you slow it down on purpose you know? It's the principle of it.

So instead of the BRD I get a response from the MCH and they tell me "Stop complaining." When I responded and said I wasn't complaining I was just telling them it lowers their DPS and we don't need ballad they again said "Stop complaining leave them alone"

I'm sorry?? I didn't know explaining to a BRD how the game works was complaining. I didn't know trying to help them was complaining either. I mean...it baffles me how people can just turn on the defensiveness when people are trying to help someone. Maybe the BRD didn't know Ballad lowers their DPS...well I let them know it does...so why am I a complainer exactly? I could have sworn I was trying to be helpful. Well damn I guess I am just a horrible person.

I guess I should just stop trying to assist other players by offering some knowledge. I've played this game since 2.0 launch day and I have tons of useful information to help other players with but every time I try to offer any help people start swearing at me or kick me out of the group or tell me to just shut up or I guess now I am a complainer. I don't say anything even close to rude so I just don't get it.

Sigh.

[MeiUshu]

Ramuh Ex sync run. Half were new, the other half were knowledgable players including 2 Mentors that were there for their Mentor roulette, as soon as they saw there were new players and it was a Ex Primal ARR, even if asked to explain, they said they didnt know the new players and last you know, they left the group, most of us waited 1h+ to get in. I wish my comp didnt have at that moment a 90k or I would have reported them. I dont understand people advertising themselves as Mentors, using the Mentor roulette and leave when it doesnt suit them. Those should just not be allowed to be Mentors. It was ....baffling.

[Cipher_Zaabiz]

Mentors are expected to help, not to play babysitter for people that didn't even watch a guide for EXTREME content. We are still players that have better things to do than wiping for a whole hour without progressing.

If you keep that in mind, you will never question again, why mentors leave extreme content.

[SpiritMuse]

Mentors are expected to help, not to play babysitter for people that didn't even watch a guide for EXTREME content. We are still players that have better things to do than wiping for a whole hour without progressing.

If you keep that in mind, you will never question again, why mentors leave extreme content.

If you're not willing to give newbies a chance and stick with them for even one run then you shouldn't be mentoring to begin with.

[cougarel]

They leave content as they suck at it, plain simple. Had runs with newbies and non mentors that were more easy and fun that with so called mentors. Heck , if you don't have at least the decency to stop for 2 mins to write the basic of the run, why even bother to run the roulette. So excuse me for giving less than a cent on that crown.
On the other hand, in the last 2 weeks the runs have been , let's say a bit "force smile" . Plenty of people showing up in trials, dungeons that simply refuse to follow a simple advice or information received.
Meh, it could be way worse.

[Trixxy]

If you're not willing to give newbies a chance and stick with them for even one run then you shouldn't be mentoring to begin with.

only someone who hasn't dealt with extreme trials when they were new content would say something like this.

The Party Finder is one thing, Duty Finder with a bunch of complete newbies is another.
Especially if its SYNCED - if they were unsynced runs, sure let's give it a shot - BUT SYNCED >>> actually requires coordination ; actually requires powerful dps. Something you can't expect from 95% of all newcomers.

Sorry but denying that 95 out of 100 Synced Ramuh Ex Mentor runs end in complete failure and a waste of time for everyone involved is nothing but a farce that reeks of utter ignorance.

Not to mention that Ramuh Ex used to be one of the more difficult raids to clear back then at an appropriate Ilvl.

Help - Yes ; Babysit or Carry - No.
Get these Ex trials off the Mentor roulette already.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Mentors are expected to help, not to play babysitter for people that didn't even watch a guide for EXTREME content. We are still players that have better things to do than wiping for a whole hour without progressing.

If you keep that in mind, you will never question again, why mentors leave extreme content.

But right there you are not giving the new people the benefit of the doubt, you are making an assumption on a players skill and adaptability simply because they are new. Thats a pretty rotten attitude to have for someone who's meant to be mentoring people.

only someone who hasn't dealt with extreme trials when they were new content would say something like this.

The Party Finder is one thing, Duty Finder with a bunch of complete newbies is another.
Especially if its SYNCED - if they were unsynced runs, sure let's give it a shot - BUT SYNCED >>> actually requires coordination ; actually requires powerful dps. Something you can't expect from 95% of all newcomers.

Sorry but denying that 95 out of 100 Synced Ramuh Ex Mentor runs end in complete failure and a waste of time for everyone involved is nothing but a farce that reeks of utter ignorance.

Not to mention that Ramuh Ex used to be one of the more difficult raids to clear back then at an appropriate Ilvl.

Help - Yes ; Babysit or Carry - No.
Get these Ex trials off the Mentor roulette already.

Cause automatically assuming you'll have to babysit them before you even offer to explain the tactics properly or just assume the new people are complete invalids who are incapable of learning is such a fine and upstanding attitude for someone who is supposed to be a mentor to have?

If the new players then refuse to listen and don't follow your advice and tactics, then you should leave because at that point it is a waste of time.

Benefit of the doubt and being civil and fair can go a long way, don't just keep painting all new people with the same brush and actually give players a chance to prove themselves.