So can HM Trials start dropping weapons again please?

[odie]

Even with an item incentive, people will still drop from Seph and Nidhogg in roulette.

Too many people can't follow simple instructions and these trials are often wipefests.

Titan HM was the sane way back in the day, even though it dropped usable weapons.

People used to drop from Titan HM too. Many forget that he actually was a brick wall for a majority of the playerbase with people paying gil for carries. I remember tanks leaving because one player didn't have the HP or any Darklight gear. Same thing, different trial.

[Greydor]

Many forget that he actually was a brick wall for a majority of the playerbase with people paying gil for carries.

I remember back in the day on Leviathan (I'm currently on Gilga), there were accusations that some groups/FCs would deliberately queue into HM trials to purposefully fail, causing a distressed playerbase to feel required to pay for a carry.

Was that ever researched, by the way? I wonder if there was a nasty banhammer swung after that ordeal.

[odie]

I remember back in the day on Leviathan (I'm currently on Gilga), there were accusations that some groups/FCs would deliberately queue into HM trials to purposefully fail, causing a distressed playerbase to feel required to pay for a carry.

Was that ever researched, by the way? I wonder if there was a nasty banhammer swung after that ordeal.

I never heard of that but I highly doubt that any one FC could have been enough to influence people to pay for clears by queuing. Anyone who would have queued up again after a failed run would likely have gotten a different group. It was a combination of things with Titan. Firstly, maybe people just weren't geared enough. There was an accepted HP minimum across the data center that if you didn't meet that HP, you were considered unfit for the duty. I believe 2 pieces of darklight was also minimum.
Also, the game suffered from major lag issues, especially noticeable in that fight. People would dodge and be very clearly out of an AoE, then seconds later, even after the AoE was over,someone would just drop dead.

It was also a major mentality that the healer should heal through literally any damage taken, so DPS would stand in whatever was there and if it didn't kill them, they'd just continue to eat damage. If the healer doesn't keep up the whole party fails. So....basically bad attitudes, bad lag, and bad players made Titan extremely difficult and people would pay to get 7 other people who wasn't likely to fail.

I got my WHM relic after I outright refused to heal the DPS who took an avoidable hit. After they started realizing I wouldn't fix their mistakes, they suddenly started dodging aoes and we cleared. But believe me...I was tempted to pay for a clear...but fortunately...I was poor.