Weeping city of mhach come toxic?

[silentwindfr]

First time I ran it, I turned off alliance chat because I wanted to figure out the mechanics on my own. Not saying everyone who "doesn't listen" is the same way, but...the fight has only been out for like 54 hours. Let people experience it and possibly enjoy figuring it out on their own.

i can understand your point, however... you are not alone, its a multiplayer game, you are into a team.... a raid, 23 other people can depend of your capacity to work with them... the time to shut down the alliance chat... you are playing alone and abandonning yourteam. i find it rude, i can understand your point, but you must understand that it's not a solo game...

maybe i'm too much old school.. but for me in raid, i must do my best for help my team. means communicate, listen advice.... and more important try my best to do what is needed to be done. for me, in raid, i'm not alone anymore, i can't be selfish and ignore my whole team simply because... i don't want to be spoil.
it's not having all handed on a silver plate, it's working together for get better. i did try the raid almost at the release of the patch, we didn't finish, we did fail on ozma at 5 % but we did communicate, we did try to figure everything together. we didn't ignore each other. it was amazing. no one was toxic or unhappy, we was working together. i will maybe never meet this people again. but it was soo great to pass the boss because we did figure how it work in team.

yeah as the time pass, more and more people will know the gimmick and mechanic of the boss. but that a given, if you want to discover this sort of content, you must do this in the first day... after, it's your duty as teammate to communicate and accept advice about a fight. even if everything is said, you have a very high chance to miss something and die. but at least, you will be with your team.

i will say it one more time, it's a MULTIPLAYER game... the moment you ignore the rest of the team.... you fail the other and i will be blunt, deserve to kicked of the group. because the other will try to work together.

your pleasure mustn't affect the pleasure of the other member of the group

no one ask you to go see a video, but to accept to have people give advice. ignore them is for me extremely rude if not... insulting them good will.

[luckystrikes]

Cleared on first day with DF. Got to the final boss with about 45 minutes left. Which was fortunate as we wiped a few times on her but got the kill. What helped were a short and concise macro at the start of each fight...not a wall of text. The only thing that bothered me during previous runs was Vote Abandons after each wipe. Take your 30 minutes like a man and leave.

[Dement]

First time I ran it, I turned off alliance chat because I wanted to figure out the mechanics on my own. Not saying everyone who "doesn't listen" is the same way, but...the fight has only been out for like 54 hours. Let people experience it and possibly enjoy figuring it out on their own.

This is all well and good as long as you know when to ask for help. If you can quickly and reliably figure things out for yourself then by all means do so. However, if the party has wiped numerous times to a fight and you are still one of the people that is face-tanking the floor, perhaps it's time to use the knowledge that others have already acquired through fountains of virtual blood.

[Seraphix2407]

This is all well and good as long as you know when to ask for help. If you can quickly and reliably figure things out for yourself then by all means do so. However, if the party has wiped numerous times to a fight and you are still one of the people that is face-tanking the floor, perhaps it's time to use the knowledge that others have already acquired through fountains of virtual blood.

Excactly and many do that still, not saying Lorelei do it but there are people sadly.

[Nora_of_Mira]

maybe i'm too much old school.. but for me in raid, i must do my best for help my team. means communicate, listen advice.... and more important try my best to do what is needed to be done. for me, in raid, i'm not alone anymore, i can't be selfish and ignore my whole team simply because... i don't want to be spoil.

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I would love to buy you a nice Cafe for everything you said in your post. I wish you were on Lamia.

[Maero]

Went in for first time yesterday with 3 FC members (2 of us were new) and overall it went very well. I guess we got lucky.
Aside from getting hit even though i was out of the attack markers it was not too bad.

[loreleidiangelo]

This is all well and good as long as you know when to ask for help. If you can quickly and reliably figure things out for yourself then by all means do so. However, if the party has wiped numerous times to a fight and you are still one of the people that is face-tanking the floor, perhaps it's time to use the knowledge that others have already acquired through fountains of virtual blood.

Had guys in TS explain some of the more esoteric mechanics like Megadeath after our first wipe to it, but being veteran raiders most of the stuff was pretty easy to figure out. Still can't say I'm a fan of force-feeding people direction macros when many of them may not want the fights spoiled yet, just because this community lacks patience. When it's weeks-old content, sure, but I feel like for the first week or two you should give new players a bit of a pass. Within 8 hours of the raid being live people were pressing instruction macros for the next boss during the trash that came BEFORE it (so nobody could just pull without their "orders").

This call for patience evidently makes me a selfish dillhole though, according to the posts that have quoted me, so I think I'll just stick to running it myself without complaints...whether people "suck" or are "bad at the game" or "don't listen because they're selfish".

[Nora_of_Mira]

This call for patience evidently makes me a selfish dillhole though, according to the posts that have quoted me, so I think I'll just stick to running it myself without complaints...whether people "suck" or are "bad at the game" or "don't listen because they're selfish".

Nah, I agree with you on this. Its really a balancing act between "thinking you're being helpful by giving tips" and "force spamming long instruction macros that look like small novels and who the *** is going to read that". They did that on my first run and I literally couldnt read it, it was TOO much, so I asked my friend and she explained everything in 2-3 sentences. (Ozma, too). Im the kind of player that understands mechanics after 1-2 deaths. I think we've all experienced that person at work who tries to "help" but ends up making it harder, lol.

[eschaton]

This is why I really love big public raids; you are guaranteed to get the best and the worst out of both the elitist and scrub world, and everything in between. Guaranteed, the only question is how and when. This stands for experiences obtained nowhere else in the game as it can be way better than your premade group or it can be way worse. You'll have to find out each time anew. Bring some friends. Can you handle it?

[Teraluna]

Went in for first time yesterday with 3 FC members (2 of us were new) and overall it went very well. I guess we got lucky.
Aside from getting hit even though i was out of the attack markers it was not too bad.

I remember this being an issue when the game first launched. Believe it was due to some server side lag or something. Do you still see that happening, or is it because the markers aren't accurate in the raid?