Wow, no mention of Auction house / MW improvements

[Tsuga]

Do you have any way to prove that? Truth is none of us have any idea why they are crashing.

I've never seen an AH crash.

That's not true, my suggestions don't get rid of the different wards or retainers, and I think we can agree that my suggestions would satisfy both camps.

It is true. Are you saying you enjoy searching for an item, zoning, searching for an NPC, buying the item, running to a door and searching for an item again, and then zoning again, and then searching for another NPC, again and again until you have all of the crap you need?

If so I'd say you're a masochist. NOBODY ELSE enjoys that, we're all just putting up with it because it's what we have. If it's all we have at "relaunch", then it will get destroyed by the critics all over again. It's a stupid mark to have against this game. I'm not saying we need an AH next patch, I'm saying it is absolutely necessary that we have it before they attempt to relaunch this game.

Boo hoo, you have to walk a little bit. Let me buy you a Segway and a reservation on the Buy 'n' Large Axiom.


Hundreds of thousands again, huh? There are 18 servers. Let's say hypothetically this game gets popular to the point that there are a million people playing. That still divides out to between 50,000 and 60,000 people per server. Not exactly hundreds of thousands.


Your retainer (and any NPCs targeted by an item search) are given a higher spawn priority. You will not only see them from a greater distance, but they are clearly discernible from the rest due to your retainer's name display being a different color, and the star icon above the heads of searched out NPCs. Not very difficult unless something's wrong with your eyes.


So?

To sum up your response:

"I'm used to this shitty system, so everyone else should get used to it, too". That's not how you win subscriptions.

[Molly_Millions]

I've never seen an AH crash.



It is true. Are you saying you enjoy searching for an item, zoning, searching for an NPC, buying the item, running to a door and searching for an item again, and then zoning again, and then searching for another NPC, again and again until you have all of the crap you need?

If so I'd say you're a masochist. NOBODY ELSE enjoys that, we're all just putting up with it because it's what we have. If it's all we have at "relaunch", then it will get destroyed by the critics all over again. It's a stupid mark to have against this game. I'm not saying we need an AH next patch, I'm saying it is absolutely necessary that we have it before they attempt to relaunch this game.

do you read what you are replying to before you reply? now rethink what you just typed while keeping in mind my suggested improvements.

I covered all the bases:

greatly improved search
buying from the search menu
showing HQ in the search results
delivery service
combined wards

All this can be done while keeping what we already have. Ever heard the phrase "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"?

...and yes I have seen the AH in XI crash.

[Eekiki]

I've never seen an AH crash.

PLEASE. The AH crashed on XI regularly. Does "Search Failed" sound familiar to you?

[Tsuga]

...and yes I have seen the AH in XI crash.

I haven't seen it happen, but I stand corrected.

do you read what you are replying to before you reply? now rethink what you just typed while keeping in mind my suggested improvements.

I covered all the bases:

greatly improved search
buying from the search menu
showing HQ in the search results
delivery service
combined wards

All this can be done while keeping what we already have. Ever heard the phrase "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"?

...and yes I have seen the AH in XI crash.

Again that is essentially what I'm arguing for, EXCEPT with this system there is no use for retainers, or wards. If you are going to make it so we buy everything from the search menu, then we may as well be able to post our items up from the search menu, too. We would not have to fight for space in the wards this way, or zone to get to our storage.

However, as I've said before, I'd be happy if they added this in the form of an AH, and kept the wards for whoever would rather use those.

[Molly_Millions]

I haven't seen it happen, but I stand corrected.



Again that is essentially what I'm arguing for, EXCEPT with this system there is no use for retainers, or wards. If you are going to make it so we buy everything from the search menu, then we may as well be able to post our items up from the search menu, too. We would not have to fight for space in the wards this way, or zone to get to our storage.

However, as I've said before, I'd be happy if they added this in the form of an AH, and kept the wards for whoever would rather use those.

Again if you read my suggestions, I said that we would have the OPTION to buy from the menu for a fee and a small time delay before we'd receive the item. This does three things, it adds incentive to use the retainers in the new system and allows those who want to buy from the menu the option to do so and also creates a gil sink. (We need more of those)


Also, I'm not sure how it is on your server, but on Fabul there is always space in the wards now, we haven't had to 'fight for space' since 1.18.

[Tsuga]

Again if you read my suggestions, I said that we would have the OPTION to buy from the menu for a fee and a small time delay before we'd receive the item. This does three things, it adds incentive to use the retainers in the new system and allows those who want to buy from the menu the option to do so and also creates a gil sink. (We need more of those)


Also, I'm not sure how it is on your server, but on Fabul there is always space in the wards now, we haven't had to 'fight for space' since 1.18.

On Besaid, the popular wards are always full. Menders Row, the tailor's wards, battlecraft, spellcraft. I haven't been able to set my retainer up in those wards since shortly after 1.18. And this is without the assumed influx of players that we'll get at "relaunch".

Again, if you're going to give us a decent search function, and a way to buy from the menu, it may as well be separated from the wards. I don't care if it's taxed. I just want a better, and more user friendly system. Just because we're used to the wards, and are putting up with them, does not mean that they are good.

[Molly_Millions]

On Besaid, the popular wards are always full. Menders Row, the tailor's wards, battlecraft, spellcraft. I haven't been able to set my retainer up in those wards since shortly after 1.18. And this is without the assumed influx of players that we'll get at "relaunch".

Again, if you're going to give us a decent search function, and a way to buy from the menu, it may as well be separated from the wards. I don't care if it's taxed. I just want a better, and more user friendly system. Just because we're used to the wards, and are putting up with them, does not mean that they are good.

What I don't get is that you can't seem to see past scraping the wards entirely in favor of an entirely menu based system. Simply improving the wards that we have now can provide both.

[Tsuga]

What I don't get is that you can't seem to see past scraping the wards entirely in favor of an entirely menu based system. Simply improving the wards that we have now can provide both.

The wards, and the retainers clutter what could be an even more streamlined system. Having everything be menu based, from an NPC in town is easier to understand for new people, and it is easier to manage for everyone else. Trying to keep retainers in such a system would only serve to unnecessarily complicate it. That is why I think that they should be two totally different systems.

To me, ideally it would be like this:

If you feel like browsing for goods, you can go to the market wards and browse retainers, similar to "rolanberry market" in XI. If you need items now, or are regearing a class, you would have the Auction House, where you could instantly search for, and purchase the items that you need, or list the items that you want to sell whenever you want to sell them.

[AmyRae]

What I don't get is that you can't seem to see past scraping the wards entirely in favor of an entirely menu based system. Simply improving the wards that we have now can provide both.

I don't think the Wards should be scrapped, but there's no way they can function as anything resembling an Auction House. In fact, trying to add Auction House functionality is a waste of time because any attempt to do so not only ruins the off-line bazaar environment that the Wards now have, but also makes for a poor Auction House because it would be based on a system that's too different.

Better to have two systems in place.