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    Quote Originally Posted by dashrem View Post
    If it's not doable, then remove the feature altogether. Everyone pays, everyone has a right to it the feature. I don't know how they do things in Japan, but in North America we don't bring enough cupcakes for only half the party. This is grade school shit.

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    Well put, but Square has always been about their Japanese player base first and for most with almost everyone of their games, if the Japanese players are happy with Housing plots we won't have a fix/solution/BASIC INFORMATION for months if not years.

    I've been trying too get a medium plot on my server for 2 years, but the only option right now is too try and find a lower populated server and pray that anything is available and that honestly isn't worth 20 bucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desfin View Post
    Well put, but Square has always been about their Japanese player base first and for most with almost everyone of their games, if the Japanese players are happy with Housing plots we won't have a fix/solution/BASIC INFORMATION for months if not years.
    This is the sad truth that I feel that most people are unaware of or refuse to acknowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Desfin View Post
    if the Japanese players are happy with Housing plots we won't have a fix/solution/BASIC INFORMATION for months if not years.
    This is the sad truth that I feel that most people are unaware of or refuse to acknowledge.
    No, it's borderline xenophobic nonsense (as is your reply), and is an over dramatic response to an annoying situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fouraces View Post
    You chances a slim because the odds are like 720 out of 2mil on snagging a property.
    Your math is so wrong, it discredits your argument. The number of plots per server is currently 2,232 (12 wards with 2 subdivisions each in 3 zones each with 31 plots; 12x2x3x31=2232) and not 720. I'm not aware of any server with an active population much larger than about 20, 000. IIRC there are 64 servers which translates to 142,848 possible housing plots available to the active subscription base. The last estimate of active players I can remember was far short of the total number of accounts and characters, i believe the number was about 600,000 active accounts, but it could be as many as a million or more, especially around patches. That means that there is approximatelty a 15%-25% chance that any given account could have a home. Of course things are more spread out than that and some servers morepopulous than others, but even on a crowded server you are still loking at greater than a 1 in 10 ratio of plots to active players.

    Absolutely it's not enough yet, I agree, but please dom throw silly numbers up when debating easily quantified information.

    Btw, the instanced apartments should add approximately 36,000 'housing' slots per server, and when the Ishgardian zone opens 744 more plots will be added, and another 12,000 or so apartment instances. That's asuming 512 instanced apartments per ward/subdivision. If it's only 256 each, the number of aparyment instances would be halved. Sti;l this will mean each server will ultimately have about 3,000 housing plots (assuming they add no more wards/subdivisions) and either 24,000 or 48,000 potential apartment instances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    No, it's borderline xenophobic nonsense (as is your reply), and is an over dramatic response to an annoying situation.
    Oh ho, really now?

    Tell me why Au Ra got changed? Or why the Japanese player base got a region locked event all for themselves. Square-Enix would not be the first, nor last, Japanese game developer that does special events for their Japanese playerbase while excluding those of other regions.

    Suppose it is far easier to label such statements pointing out what appears to be Japanese favoritism as xenophobia though, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear View Post
    Oh ho, really now?

    Tell me why Au Ra got changed? Or why the Japanese player base got a region locked event all for themselves. Square-Enix would not be the first, nor last, Japanese game developer that does special events for their Japanese playerbase while excluding those of other regions.

    Suppose it is far easier to label such statements pointing out what appears to be Japanese favoritism as xenophobia though, isn't it?
    Xenophobia is easy to spot, just as other forms of prejudice are. You are the one making distinctions and drawing conclusions based on assumption and distinction. This topic has been discussed before and many examples of SE responding directly to the NA and/or EU player community have been put forward. As is typical they were dismissed about as glibly as you dismiss the assessment of xenophobia by those wishing to portray SE as an entity that ignores it's non-japanese customers. Engaging in further debate is pointless, there are myriad examples of companies running special rpromotions in their home markets whether American, Japanese, German, British or whatever. Market specific promotions are not an indication of bias, unles you happen to fel entitled to everything anyone else has of course. But let's not bring entitlement into this yet, someone else may wantto have that fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Xenophobia is easy to spot, just as other forms of prejudice are. You are the one making distinctions and drawing conclusions based on assumption and distinction.
    I guess you figured me out, Nancy Drew.

    Of course I'm drawing conclusions based on my observations. Are they true? Who knows really, but I've seen enough cases of Japanese and Korean game developers favoring their own demographic to go with my gut on this.

    I will give you that I could have worded my previous statement better, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    This topic has been discussed before and many examples of SE responding directly to the NA and/or EU player community have been put forward. As is typical they were dismissed about as glibly as you dismiss the assessment of xenophobia by those wishing to portray SE as an entity that ignores it's non-japanese customers.
    For the record, I don't believe that they completely ignore their non-Japanese playerbase.

    I do believe, however, that we hold considerably less influence on their design decisions and that our input means less to them than that of their Japanese playerbase.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Engaging in further debate is pointless
    True.

    You're not changing my thoughts about this and I'm certainly not going to change yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Market specific promotions are not an indication of bias
    Of course not, unless that particular market keeps getting said promotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desfin View Post
    if the Japanese players are happy with Housing plots we won't have a fix/solution/BASIC INFORMATION for months if not years.
    I disagree with this. Some of my FC neighbor member pretty grumpy with how the house sold pretty fast by those reseller.
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