is selling housing bannable?

[Cwestcott18]

Actually there is, player used to buy multiple plots just to resell them 10 min laters for 10 or 15 millions (heard of a FC with 26 houses only used to resell)

Well that is understandable, but if there is someone who's foolish enough to do that then well that's their problem. Ok i'll admit you do have a point there, I'm thinking smaller scale, those who individually own their own plots, those who want to make something, but not on that kind of scale

[Lexia]

I might not need my medium plot soon, auto-demolition has been put on hold and SE have provided us with no way to relinquish our land. Not all of us are looking to profit, if I was to 'sell' my land I would only want what I paid for it. The lack of features implemented towards these aspects of housing are not the players fault, so like any commodity in game it should be allowed to go on sale.

I could see that prior to the patch but now that 3.3 is here now houses are not worth what you paid for. A medium house was 37 million for best grade plot is now only 20 million. So even though you paid more originally you still asking for person to pay more for house then what they worth now.

[eschaton]

Rumor has it there are individuals ready to buy almost an entire ward worth of houses for themselves. That is to say; one ward, for one player (alts). Pretty darn impressive, to be honest. First it was the grapevine, now there even are posts about it on bulletin boards like Reddit. Impressive.

[Kabzy]

I could see that prior to the patch but now that 3.3 is here now houses are not worth what you paid for. A medium house was 37 million for best grade plot is now only 20 million. So even though you paid more originally you still asking for person to pay more for house then what they worth now.

Then they could buy the plot after for the new, reduced price. My conscience can still be clear because I didn't profit from anything. The alternative would be a house sitting there for many months being unused, while there are many people out there who are willing to pay for the plot. That's quite the opposite of being a 'nuisance' to players, because you're actually opening up an unused plot to someone/an FC who otherwise did not have one. Again, I'm not saying this is completely fair but with the lack of demolition options, there's not much else to do.

My main point here is that I don't think selling in general should be so frowned upon, because there will be people like me who just have ONE plot that they want to get rid off. It's not hard to distinguish between someone who is doing that, and someone who is buying like 8 plots with alts.

[Celef]

Well that is understandable, but if there is someone who's foolish enough to do that then well that's their problem.

And it becomes our problem cause, not enough plots + greedy people abusing the systeme = innocent players who worked hard (or FC), got the Gils but won't be abble to buy cause they have the founds for the plot, not the 10 millions asked for the relinquish :/
(god it's hard to explain something when it's not your mother tongue ^^")

My main point here is that I don't think selling in general should be so frowned upon, because there will be people like me who just have ONE plot that they want to get rid off. It's not hard to distinguish between someone who is doing that, and someone who is buying like 8 plots with alts.

I you don't want it anymore, just leave it for free, you are not supposed to get your money back if not using the 45 days system they add to the game

[Niwashi]

The rules aren't enforced (or even clarified) consistently enough to give a definitive answer about whether it's allowed.

We can make some guesses, though. If you're selling a plot that you yourself have used for a while, and selling it for around it's original price or lower, then you're not as likely to get banned for it as if you're selling multiple plots you've never used for several times their original price. Hoarding housing and then gouging people on the price is a bigger issue than simply getting paid to release a house you're done with. It's that hoarding and price gouging behavior that falls into the "disrupting game features" rule (or however it's phrased).

Even charging someone the original purchase price (the official original purchase price that is) means they have to pay double that (by paying both the "seller" and the game), but at least it indicates the seller wasn't hoarding a plot just for the sake of overcharging for its resale. Charging anything above the original price, however, isn't going to look good if a GM checks it. (Of course, there's still the chance you can get away with it if nobody reports the sale so no GM ever does investigate it.)

[Reinha]

I might not need my medium plot soon, auto-demolition has been put on hold and SE have provided us with no way to relinquish our land. Not all of us are looking to profit, if I was to 'sell' my land I would only want what I paid for it.

You do have a way to relinquish land. Just open the menus and do it. That's what I did. Ask around from your friends, linkshells and fc if there's anyone who doesn't have a house.

If you were to get what you paid for a medium house, the buyer would have to pay as much as a large house costs for your medium house since he/she has to also buy the land from the game. Every time the land is repurchased someone loses the plot buying fee. Trying to make someone else handle the gil-sink mechanic is not right nor intended, because if it were intended the houses would be directly sellable via trade. When people "only" ask for what they paid for, the price goes up after every relinquish. From the buyers point of view it makes no difference if it's a housing hoarder or a 5th owner of the land asking for that 5x price. It's still overpriced compared to the original price in game.

[Celef]

You do have a way to relinquish land. Just open the menus and do it. That's what I did. Ask around from your friends, linkshells and fc if there's anyone who doesn't have a house.

If you were to get what you paid for a medium house, the buyer would have to pay as much as a large house costs for your medium house since he/she has to also buy the land from the game. Every time the land is repurchased someone loses the plot buying fee. Trying to make someone else handle the gil-sink mechanic is not right nor intended, because if it were intended the houses would be directly sellable via trade. When people "only" ask for what they paid for, the price goes up after every relinquish. From the buyers point of view it makes no difference if it's a housing hoarder or a 5th owner of the land asking for that 5x price. It's still overpriced compared to the original price in game.

And trus me, we are a lot on cerberus who don't have houses !

[Kabzy]

I you don't want it anymore, just leave it for free, you are not supposed to get your money back if not using the 45 days system they add to the game

Again, invalid because the demolition feature has been stopped. And not many people would freely leave a medium/large plot. Small maybe, but not the other two. I'm quite baffled that people would rather a plot sit there abandoned for however long than actually allowing a willing person to pay to relinquish it.

[Celef]

Again, invalid because the demolition feature has been stopped. And not many people would freely leave a medium/large plot. Small maybe, but not the other two. I'm quite baffled that people would rather a plot sit there abandoned for however long than actually allowing a willing person to pay to relinquish it.

Cause when you do that, you ask someone X millions of gils (we were talking 28 mllions on another thread if i remeber correctly) they where not supposed to pay, especially now that a medium plot is around 7 millions.
Sooooo, It's racketing cause if you leave your plot like Reinha said or used the 45 days system, they won't have to pay extra gils